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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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say yeah man

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today is monday april 1st 2019 91 days

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we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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what a week we have got coming up on

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that's right tonight

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very special guest and our good friend

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here to give us

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that's right

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we're going to go through everything

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tonight ufos bigfoot paranormal

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cryptozoology

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and everything else that falls

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well everybody knows uh what a great

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friend he is here of the show he's been

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and uh so we have that part

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many many late nights with alex over the

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gatherings and stuff he's always been

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he's the absolute best out there so

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tonight when somebody's gonna hand in

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the report card for comments by the

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teacher and you didn't want comments i

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because alex mastretta is here also

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tonight and uh get ready it's gonna be a

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great show and then tomorrow night we

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no biggie because billy carson is going

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to be here tomorrow for week two

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the halls of amenti and this is week two

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of his emerald tablets of toth four part

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series that's tomorrow night billy

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carson wednesday nights it is dr heather

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cameras here covering her new book which

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is called evil

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archaeology

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and there it is got the complete book

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it's a good read to evil archaeology

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demons possessions and sinister relics

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lin's back with us thursday night of

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course is fader night open lines all

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night long you can follow me on twitter

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alex up there on twitter i just uh redid

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and there it is tonight alex mastretta

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and there's his twitter link everybody

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go and follow alex okay

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go and follow alex on twitter and there

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is no truer

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fate or not

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than alex mastretta he is he was like

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the first he's the you know what i don't

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uh alex mistreat is here with us tonight

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very excited about that

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and again follow me on twitter at j

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church radio which you want to do if you

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want to join in on the conversation

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tonight and check out what everybody's

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doing especially today it is april 1st

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a spreaker we have that chat room we

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have kgra's chat room

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and uh we have the sandbox and you can

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at jimmychurchradio.com

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aviation american gin i used to be a gin

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drinker when i i mean when i was a kid

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the person that tells me who's saying

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colgan without googling it

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without googling it i'll send you a fade

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drink your gin out of that

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was gene that's golgit

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to come out and i was like ah man it had

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to have been gene right

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nope it's not gene

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then who was it

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that it wasn't ace freely

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written by ace okay keep it going

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written by ace

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poor ace man i feel so bad for that guy

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come on keep it coming

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keep it coming i need to know you guys

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got to be faster see now when it's

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delayed like this everybody's searching

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right right now

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uh now now it's changed to paul stanley

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you freely wrote the song okay all right

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okay i realize that all of you guys are

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googling now i needed a kiss fan

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freely wrote the song okay i get it i

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get it they both did paul engine oh they

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both sang it

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where am i at see how see it's ufos and

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guitars

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here on fade to block okay

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uh email throughout the show jimmy jimmy

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church radio.com let's get to all of the

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brexit remains deadlocked that's right

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uk parliament rejects all of the

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prime minister theresa may's brexit plan

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prolonging the political deadlock i was

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watching the debate live so great

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there is no better reality tv

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than uk parliament uh the uk parliament

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cam

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oh man that was funny stuff man that was

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cracking me up and i knew it was gonna

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get around to it you know let's just

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let's just bail without a plan let's

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just exit let's just stay

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you know ah it's crazy

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sad news yesterday rapper nipsey hussell

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was shot and killed after

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uh

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exiting apparently his store that he has

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in los angeles

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and it's a clothing store two other

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people were injured in the shooting and

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happened uh in the afternoon yesterday

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at about 3 20 p.m

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that was all according to the police

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department the shooting occurred in the

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area of slauson avenue and crenshaw

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boulevard

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and nipsey hustle

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and i feel like just a all-around cool

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guy

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neighborhood cared about los angeles

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cared about the kids

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uh cared about the community and

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changing things and was a driving force

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and all of that it just doesn't make any

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sense and

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he was immensely talented

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uh just absolutely crazy nipsy hustle

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shot and killed yesterday in los angeles

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discovery channel

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has announced plans to open an egyptian

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sarcophagus for the first time live on

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television

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that's right visions of geraldo right

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just play out right

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they're gonna do it

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and uh it's an upcoming special titled

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the expedition unknown egypt live

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with our friend josh gates

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the two-hour live event is set to air

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this week

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on sunday

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april 7th

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are you gonna tune in for that that

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means you're gonna

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have to miss american gods but then

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again you could tape it

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you would have to miss what else were

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you watching rita oh billions oh man

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billions american gods are two great

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shows barry also kicked up its new

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season

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and i watched episode one last time

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pretty good pretty good

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and uh with bill hader

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and uh then uh veep but i haven't seen

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it and then veep apparently they aired

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uh they you know did the premiere and

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then they announced uh the shows being

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canceled but i guess they're gonna play

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out this season

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all right also earlier today

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the white house declares that the

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mysterious 1908 tunguska explosion has

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been solved

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that's right and this is a quote from

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the white house saying that the culprit

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was very very big wind

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big winds that no longer exist

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end quote so i guess we can close the

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book on that and also there was major

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success today for the flat earth

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expedition that was announced last month

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as they finally reached antarctica

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after taking off from austria

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and headed straight north

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to prove that the earth was flat

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major major success today and also

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earlier today

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cnn uncovered what was redacted out of

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the mueller report this is big news

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and one of the redacted items was that

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the logo for the space force

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is going to be a blue avion

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that's right as suggested by russia's

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vladimir putin

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because in russia

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blue birds represent hope

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and finally

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blue eagle eggs hatched today on the

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live eagle cam in boulder colorado and

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people celebrated all across the nation

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while watching the little blue

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hatchlings break out of their shells

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live on the interweb

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and that's it that's all of the breaking

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news i have today we have alex mastretta

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here and we'll be discussing all of this

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breaking news and much more

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and don't forget the surfer music

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and get this on your phones

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okay it is free to download nothing to

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do no giving up your information or

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email nothing like that all you got to

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do is go to the banners at

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or go to

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s-u-r-f-r-surfer dot fm

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i keep saying it it's super easy it's

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super fun and all you have to do is

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download it and get it on your phone i'm

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going to show you right here i have the

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surfer streaming app right there

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boom

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on my phone that's what i use

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all right our next event is contacting

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and spa we've got three fade to black

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events that we're doing that weekend of

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course friday night fade to black live

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in front of a studio audience

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saturday night i'll be hosting the

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awards dinner

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and you need tickets for that that's

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saturday night i want all fader knots

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there by the way

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and that's really close to getting sold

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out so go and get your tickets for that

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and then sunday night of course i always

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host the sunday night panel closing

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ceremonies

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and there you go so we got three nights

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of fade to black and we'll see all of

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you there and then coming up

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happens all right okay

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happy birthday to today

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mackenzie david

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is 31 and i know what you're thinking i

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know what you're thinking you're

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thinking who is mackenzie david

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as i raise my chair

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mackenzie david

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is the hacker computer genius

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in the tv show halt and catch fire she's

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amazing 31 years old from canada

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and she's great in that show that show i

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i've watched every episode every season

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an amazing amazing show

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and if you ever wondered about the

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history of computers you know they break

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it down they change the names and they

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do all of that but it's really the the

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story of the internet and uh computers

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and the technology it's really a cool tv

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series halton catch fire happy birthday

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to mackenzie david our dead guy's

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birthday today

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debbie reynolds

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1932 to 2016 she died at the age of four

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uh 84.

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best known for singing in the rain but

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she also married eddie fisher and had

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two children one of them being actress

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carrie fisher

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and on december 23 2016

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carrie fisher suffered a medical

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emergency on a transatlantic flight from

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london to los angeles and died on

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december 27th at the age of 60.

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on the following day

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december 28th debbie was taken by

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ambulance to cedar sinai medical center

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here in los angeles where she

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died later that afternoon

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unbelievable story happy birthday debbie

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reynolds

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on this day in history

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1970

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president richard nixon

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signed legislation

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to officially ban cigarette ads

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on television and radio

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and i can't believe i'm old enough to

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remember those

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and i i still do there's just a few of

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those cigarette commercials that's

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sticking and and hearing them on the

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radio and it's pretty funny that it went

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on all the way up to uh 1970

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pretty trippy and i am starting to feel

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old when i can tell that story

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fader fact okay i want you to listen to

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jupiter

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does not

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now i know what you're thinking

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wait a minute jimmy

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jupiter orbits the sun

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it doesn't

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no

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but jupiter

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does not orbit the sun

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it is so huge

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that the center of gravity of its orbit

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is not actually at the center of the sun

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like it is for earth or venus or mercury

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right or mars

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no

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jupiter doesn't orbit the center of the

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sun

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jupiter

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and the sun

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orbit around the same point in space

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that's right

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you didn't know that did you now i want

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you to visualize the

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the sun has its own orbit

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the sun is at the center of our universe

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doing this

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and where it is orbiting

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is where jupiter orbits

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jupiter does not orbit the sun

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we do

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now is that the trippiest

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i've done a lot of fader facts i've done

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a lot

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that one is trippy and that one you can

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take to the back and that one you can

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whip out at a party the water cooler at

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work

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jupiter does not orbit the sun and so

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now this is the thing they'll talk about

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jupiter's orbit that it takes 12 years

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to go around the sun

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but they don't point out that it's not

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ain't that a trip yeah another fate of

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fact jupiter is flat i know i thought

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about that too

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i'll do that one next week but yeah

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ain't that a trip that's a trip okay all

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right this is what i want to do

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later on tonight uh and and i might do

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00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,760
this uh sporadically throughout the show

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i may take some phone calls with alex

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mastretta

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but

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i want you to tell me tonight when you

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call in

572
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,240
which one of my news stories

573
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was real

574
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,760
in the breaking news which ones were

575
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,880
fake

576
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,080
and

577
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:44,080
if you got

578
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,400
a really good breaking news story today

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00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,480
that you need to announce on this april

580
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,360
1st

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00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,320
and test me

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right

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i'll open up the phone lines okay so

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00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,039
don't get excited i'll announce when we

585
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,559
do that and i'm certainly going to open

586
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,720
up the phone lines at uh

587
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,559
at the end of the show okay and we'll do

588
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,720
that we'll have a free for all

589
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,440
but it's uh it's april fool's day and

590
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,919
there were some good uh april fool's oh

591
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:16,080
i didn't get to uh the main one i i

592
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,279
spaced right by it today the

593
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:22,080
uh was it the r83 uh what what's it

594
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,440
called the

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uh

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00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,520
rs is it the rs 85 yeah okay so today

597
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:33,760
there is this breaking news story on

598
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hush kit and also on defense pk

599
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:41,600
that the rs 85 mach 6

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00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:45,600
aurora spy plane was real and it flew

601
00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:48,799
from two uh from nineteen went what what

602
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was it

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00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,679
1993 to 2018

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00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,039
i think it was

605
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,480
and that uh it went mach 6

606
00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:00,240
and they lay out the whole thing this

607
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press release and it replaced the

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sr-71

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00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,720
and it was rs 85 dolos as i believe the

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00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,240
project dolos was an extension of

611
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:13,520
project aurora a 1980s military program

612
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,640
well-written article right and i went

613
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:18,880
through and i read that and i was like

614
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,269
it's april 1st

615
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,230
and that one

616
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i didn't fall for uh john greenwald he

617
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,320
does the same thing every year i did

618
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,000
fall for it a couple of years ago and i

619
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,679
remember calling him up going dude what

620
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,760
happened dude it's april fools oh okay

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00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,720
all right

622
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,640
but uh this one

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00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:45,360
this one i took i took hook line and

624
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,120
sinker for about

625
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:51,679
i'm gonna give it five minutes

626
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:54,720
five minutes because i i immediately

627
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,400
went uh as i'm starting to feel a little

628
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,640
shaky about it because i was gonna do it

629
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,480
as a breaking news story it was like the

630
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,840
biggest story of the last 25 years right

631
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,559
so

632
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,400
and i go to grab pictures they're

633
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,919
announcing that it's going to be at

634
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,600
wright patterson

635
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,840
at the air force museum

636
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,320
in 2020 that five of them were built and

637
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,559
i mean i was like wow

638
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:20,559
and of course there was no dod press

639
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,400
release and i couldn't find it anywhere

640
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,559
and then i just stopped and i went ah

641
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:26,240
they got me

642
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,510
but there you go that was a good one so

643
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,919
if you got any good ones today

644
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,080
like that one see nobody's gonna be able

645
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,559
to call in with that one but if you got

646
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,120
any good ones uh call in tonight

647
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,279
and uh let's have some fun with that and

648
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,039
we'll see maybe maybe some of them are

649
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,600
real and you might get one past me this

650
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,240
is fade to black our guest tonight is

651
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,039
alex mastretta he's got a report card

652
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,200
we're going to be discussing

653
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,760
everything that is going on right now in

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00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,320
our paranormal community and i'll be

655
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,159
right back after this short break this

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is fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

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follow me on twitter at jay turns radio

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email is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com and

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short break stay with me

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:14,799
your host jimmy church

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tonight alex mistretta is here

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the og fade or not

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it's going to give us a full rundown on

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the status of ufo paranormal bigfoot

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supernatural research

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[Music]

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00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,360
alex is one of the few full-time

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professional investigators in the field

767
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,320
he is the former mufon los angeles

768
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,360
director of investigations founder of

769
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,440
phenomenal research co-founder of the

770
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:41,919
ufo and paranormal research society of

771
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,360
los angeles former member of big cats in

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britain

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00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,320
following his studies in anthropology

774
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,000
and psychology at the university of

775
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,640
illinois in chicago he has devoted his

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00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,600
life to

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00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,760
research in the paranormal ufo's hidden

778
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,720
history hidden history and cryptozoology

779
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,720
described as part mulder and part

780
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,640
indiana jones alex has also been

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featured on several television shows

782
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,600
including the ufo files and legend

783
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,159
hunters he's the author of the presence

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which is being updated right now and

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slated for re-release later in 2019 and

786
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i would like to welcome back to fade to

787
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,800
black alex mastretta alex good evening

788
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,480
man how are you

789
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,320
i'm great man thank you very much for

790
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,320
having me on and hello to all the fader

791
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,760
knots so

792
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:28,399
steve who is the original fader not is

793
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,320
it you i mean steve alex is it you steve

794
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,359
or wolf probably steve actually was your

795
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,480
first guest

796
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,240
yeah wolf probably dates back to the

797
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,679
furthest with you so i don't know it

798
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,320
wasn't me though yeah

799
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,359
so you're declining that okay i you know

800
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,040
it's it's kind of tough when i think

801
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,480
about uh

802
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,040
uh the the fader dots this audience our

803
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,440
friends are circle you know and the

804
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:54,879
three of you

805
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,320
you know uh you stephen and wolfe

806
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,960
have been a part of this from day one

807
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,119
and and i've known you for such a long

808
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:06,000
time and and so i you know i mean to the

809
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,240
fader knots you are you are pure o.g

810
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,520
you know what i would say wall because

811
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,359
he kind of likes to be the guy you know

812
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,079
yeah i know i know i know he you know

813
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,560
what no matter where wolf is

814
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,880
no matter what he's doing if i call him

815
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:23,280
up i don't care what he's doing hey man

816
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,560
you want to come over for dinner and

817
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,079
drinks what time

818
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:27,920
right it's just like

819
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,280
i'm there yeah you know

820
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,440
he he does not want to miss he's got to

821
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,240
be the center of it all right and

822
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,359
he's the best for that so uh

823
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:42,240
alex uh i want to go through uh we've

824
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,440
got so much to discuss tonight okay

825
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,320
and i want to talk about uh i want to

826
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,760
get things started off here because

827
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,920
we're going to get very very serious and

828
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:54,079
there's a lot of serious breaking news

829
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,040
today

830
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,560
and can i go through some of these

831
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,160
headlines

832
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,760
yeah of course the this uh the tungusta

833
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:02,960
uh

834
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,640
which

835
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,520
some

836
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,000
think that it may have been a ufo it

837
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,320
might have been a nuclear explosion

838
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,280
detonation from some kind of uh

839
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:17,920
unidentified aircraft uh it might have

840
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,680
been an exploding asteroid or meteor not

841
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,680
a meteorite because it didn't hit the

842
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,040
earth yet

843
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,520
um but certainly a strange explosion

844
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,079
that remained unexplained and today the

845
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,160
white house announced that it was

846
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,390
really really really strong wind

847
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,760
how i

848
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,800
are you buying into this story i mean

849
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,040
or is this just a smoke screen to throw

850
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,640
us off

851
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:48,800
oh you know it's gotta be a smoke screen

852
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,760
isn't everything yeah i know right

853
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:52,640
and

854
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:58,240
thing that uh

855
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,910
yeah i mean i'm just not buying it i

856
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,200
mean really really strongly and the

857
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,720
second part of that was that wind

858
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,880
doesn't doesn't exist today anymore what

859
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,480
does that mean yeah i don't i don't

860
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:11,920
understand that

861
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,320
you know and i would and uh which

862
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,200
immediately went with climate change you

863
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,880
know is that what they're trying to do

864
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,560
here and they're trying to

865
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,200
tie all of this in together

866
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,280
and i i just think it's a it's some kind

867
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:27,599
of false flag it's it's definite

868
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,119
disinformation and misdirection

869
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,800
i think it's kind of like a hidden

870
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,280
anti-climate change yeah yeah i'm

871
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:37,280
feeling uncomfortable with that

872
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,640
and and then the other uh well we we

873
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,720
have all of these breaking stories today

874
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,480
and the uh

875
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,480
the flat earth okay

876
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,400
this is what is bizarre

877
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:50,720
that in the press release today uh that

878
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,920
they finally reached antarctica right by

879
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,480
taking off north from austria and and

880
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,480
that's what they did and

881
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:59,920
and i

882
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:02,839
and for them to finally reach

883
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,560
antarctica do they realize that by this

884
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,640
type of announcement am i reading this

885
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:10,880
right that they actually went around the

886
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,119
world and didn't know it

887
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,680
around the globe

888
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,960
i think this guy's even been going

889
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,560
around the globe for a lot longer than

890
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,359
that and not know it yeah i know right

891
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,119
right and what it what does this say i

892
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,359
mean is there any way

893
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,599
uh because they go and they do this

894
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,920
expedition they head straight north they

895
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,920
finally make it to antarctica by going

896
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,440
north and they think that they made it

897
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,000
to the edge of the world is there any

898
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,240
way to convince

899
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,359
a flat earther if this didn't do it

900
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,200
that the earth is round what do we do

901
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,119
about this

902
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,880
i think there's no way ever intensified

903
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:48,800
earth or anything at this point

904
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,599
i mean they're growing right and they

905
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,480
they are planning uh another expedition

906
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,560
down to antarctica and they're gonna

907
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,400
start from the south

908
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,200
and go do south

909
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,839
would that prove anything to them are we

910
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,359
just going to be up against the same

911
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,320
type of press release

912
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,599
it's not going to prove everything to

913
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,720
them

914
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,560
that's i think that's the point

915
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,160
it is isn't it now uh let's let's move

916
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:19,200
on these uh two other uh

917
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,440
uh stories and one uh involved uh cnn

918
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,320
and which the mueller report which was

919
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:28,800
released two weeks ago on friday

920
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,839
uh well it finished i should say it's it

921
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,599
hasn't been released but there's a bunch

922
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,359
of redactions in it and one of the

923
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,800
redactions

924
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,760
is that the logo from the space force

925
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,960
is going to be a blue avion

926
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,240
now

927
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,400
and i immediately scratch my head and

928
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:49,760
then it turns out that this was

929
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,670
wavian

930
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,040
i'm not sure i remember what the exact

931
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,079
quote was oh i i i think it's uh uh

932
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,320
putin from russia

933
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,480
yeah that's right that's right because

934
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:07,200
in uh russian the the blue bird means

935
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,320
hope

936
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,000
kinda like the you know the obama thing

937
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,440
right and and so is this is this

938
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,839
is it okay this is where i need to get

939
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,640
to the bottom line of this is is putin

940
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:20,960
in on this does he

941
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,560
does he know the significance of

942
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,200
of what a blue avion would mean for the

943
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,960
space force logo or in russia

944
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,359
is is that is that the bottom line that

945
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,880
that that blue birds mean hope

946
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,640
putin knows everything jimmy putin knows

947
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,119
everything i know right

948
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:44,079
i know i know and then this other story

949
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:45,200
today

950
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,440
about uh blue eagle eggs that hatched

951
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:51,440
yeah they hatched today

952
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,440
on on the live eagle cam that runs in

953
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,760
boulder colorado and you can go anybody

954
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,440
can go and look at the eagle cam in

955
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,960
boulder colorado

956
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:03,200
and uh go and check it out and there was

957
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:04,000
a

958
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:51,200
don't you think

959
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,400
yeah it's pretty cool you know i haven't

960
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,640
really looked into it but

961
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,640
that sounds legit to me well see the

962
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,560
thing is um

963
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,359
that combined with this other cnn

964
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,440
mueller report

965
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,520
the blue eagles right now are in the

966
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,440
news and and i don't think that's

967
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,200
coincidence

968
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,319
yeah i mean i was thinking about doing a

969
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,520
little more research on it but i'm

970
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,640
really afraid someone's going to give

971
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,160
away my phone number my address and all

972
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,920
that stuff yeah yeah yeah you know

973
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,319
yeah you know i'm always i think all of

974
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,760
us need to be a little paranoid about

975
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,359
that kind of stuff today but

976
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,160
there you go crazy news today on this

977
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,430
insane okay

978
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,240
alex since you're a man of many words

979
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,359
and and i said earlier tonight um

980
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,160
every i think i'm pretty sure

981
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,359
i'm confident in saying this that every

982
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,599
every little party that we've had dinner

983
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,880
party at the house that you were the

984
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,480
last person to leave

985
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,800
am i correct in saying that

986
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,400
well i'm trying to eat as much of rita's

987
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,240
food in your barbecue as possible yeah

988
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:55,839
right right people haven't been there

989
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,040
it's like it's it's worth it

990
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,640
and and those conversations that we have

991
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:04,160
had over there

992
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,079
um i would say are about as spirited of

993
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,000
of any conversation that you could have

994
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,800
in the paranormal and we've never really

995
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:14,880
left a subject

996
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,839
uh untouched and i want you to say yes

997
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,160
that's right that's right right no that

998
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,319
is 100 correct

999
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,440
is there

1000
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:24,400
do you

1001
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,800
holds back

1002
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,200
no clearly not i mean you know obviously

1003
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,280
i'm gonna hold back a little bit

1004
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,880
with you know when i do radio shows like

1005
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,880
yours tonight not to offend anyone but

1006
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,960
generally speaking i speak my mind i

1007
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:41,200
don't like to hold back i think this uh

1008
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,119
this field deserves complete honesty

1009
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,000
how long have you uh been researching uh

1010
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,160
in the paranormal

1011
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,160
well i did my first investigation i was

1012
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,599
age

1013
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,839
that kind of tells you

1014
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,800
now see

1015
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,560
okay i didn't know about this what did

1016
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,400
you research at the age of 12 what

1017
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,160
happened uh

1018
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,000
we moved to london for about six months

1019
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,839
uh my stepdad was recording an album

1020
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,520
over there and we lived around the

1021
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,160
corner from uh 50 berkeley square the

1022
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,839
famous [\h__\h] of berkeley square right

1023
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,760
the famous haunted location in london

1024
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,720
right i'm sure a lot of people have

1025
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,000
heard of it

1026
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,480
and uh so we went i had a book you know

1027
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,920
i had a list of all the hunting places

1028
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,119
in london and i was going to see what

1029
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,599
was like walking distance from from our

1030
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,119
house and this was right around the

1031
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,520
corner so i went and i was planning to

1032
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,599
knock on the door and be like hey uh i'm

1033
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,240
an american guy can i come in and take

1034
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,680
some photographs and check out your

1035
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,040
house you know

1036
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,400
as it turns out it was a bookstore

1037
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,200
so i just kind of went in and uh most of

1038
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,640
the hunting you know and the stories

1039
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,240
takes place in the third and fourth

1040
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,720
floor which was off limit

1041
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,359
and um so hung out on the first floor if

1042
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,400
you know for a little bit there's about

1043
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,240
two people working there and i went to

1044
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,920
one of the one around the counter and

1045
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,680
the other person was looking and i ran

1046
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,440
up the stairs to the third and the

1047
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,640
fourth floor

1048
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,880
and took some pictures

1049
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,560
and um

1050
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,560
until i heard some footsteps coming down

1051
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,480
the stairs from the top of the floor and

1052
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,760
then i kind of freaked out a little bit

1053
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,680
and i left because i didn't want to end

1054
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,800
up you know

1055
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,400
in jail or whatever

1056
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,400
and uh when the pictures came back in

1057
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,960
fact so i took about you know it was 35

1058
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,160
millimeters right back in those days it

1059
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,640
was a film took so 35 pictures i did the

1060
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,839
whole roll

1061
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,280
every picture i took from the first and

1062
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,520
the second floor came out perfectly

1063
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,119
and all the pictures from the third and

1064
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,359
fourth floor were allegedly

1065
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,520
all the word stuff took place came out

1066
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,359
veiled or with like a little bit of

1067
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,200
leipzig in there

1068
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,200
so um that was my first investigation

1069
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,640
and from then on i was pretty much

1070
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,560
hooked do you still have those uh

1071
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,000
pictures today

1072
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,520
no i have no idea what happened to him

1073
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,200
unfortunately yeah

1074
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,760
yeah yeah i've got you know what i have

1075
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
from when i was 12 years old

1076
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:52,400
nothing

1077
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:59,040
still have stuff but i mean me i don't i

1078
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,319
don't know how my parents managed to

1079
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,839
hang on to stuff

1080
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,920
uh but uh i don't have anything from

1081
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,359
when i was 12. i don't yeah i mean we

1082
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:07,040
moved around so much i've had you know i

1083
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,160
haven't kept a whole lot of stuff from

1084
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,800
when i was a kid so right right but the

1085
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,520
first two floors crystal clear floors

1086
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,680
three and four

1087
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,920
blurred completely veiled not blurred

1088
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,200
like veiled like there was some kind of

1089
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,440
like a veil like a mist in front of the

1090
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,760
lens you know right right right was it

1091
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,359
hard and granite you know like the

1092
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,040
lighting was different right it was the

1093
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,560
doctor and the fourth floor because i

1094
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,839
didn't have to have customers that could

1095
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:32,240
you know see the books and all that but

1096
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,280
you know i don't know i don't know what

1097
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,560
it means but

1098
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,400
it you know it

1099
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,079
it just got me going it was exciting you

1100
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,160
know age 12 everything at age 12

1101
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,640
everything's a ghost you know everything

1102
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,400
every light in the sky is a ufo you know

1103
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,599
you get a lot more excited about that

1104
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,079
stuff so that's kind of what's my origin

1105
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,640
story well and there's there's one other

1106
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,359
uh thing about you alex that

1107
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,800
um you

1108
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,839
uh are responsible for some of the most

1109
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,280
amazing images uh that have been uh

1110
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:03,359
distributed out there in the paranormal

1111
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:06,800
that's number one uh most people don't

1112
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,560
know that you are the origin of these uh

1113
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,280
photographs and stories and reports

1114
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:15,920
and which i and and some of this stuff

1115
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,880
goes back a long long ways very very

1116
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,000
famous

1117
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,960
uh investigated uh paranormal and ufo

1118
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:25,839
stories and including uh some of the

1119
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,280
most recent stuff which is the trapang

1120
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,079
ufo series of photographs which is a

1121
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:35,760
story that you uncovered and broke

1122
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,200
i have now seen those images

1123
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,040
all over television i see them all the

1124
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,800
time on the internet i've seen them in a

1125
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,640
couple of books that have been sent to

1126
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:45,520
me

1127
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:46,560
and

1128
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:50,880
the story is

1129
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,200
most don't attribute that back to you

1130
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,240
because uh one of the things that i

1131
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,160
don't see you do

1132
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,520
is stand up and shout look at me

1133
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,319
right all you want is honest hard

1134
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,640
research out there i hate saying boots

1135
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,960
on the ground but with you that's

1136
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,040
that's exactly what happens

1137
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,160
why is that alex that you you you you

1138
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,599
have chosen

1139
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,319
to go down the path of research and and

1140
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,839
not the path of

1141
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,520
stardom

1142
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,680
i think that's a good question i don't

1143
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,520
know you know i i've tried you know

1144
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,960
occasionally you'll see my post on

1145
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,400
facebook you know i'm like all right you

1146
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,440
know i'm gonna be a little harder i'm

1147
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,720
gonna bring attention to myself i'm

1148
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,480
gonna talk crap

1149
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,400
but you know it it's not really my

1150
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,559
nature ultimately and i hate to do it

1151
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,079
but you sort of have to do it to certain

1152
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,359
extent these days if you want any

1153
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,480
attention

1154
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,760
i don't know i don't have an answer for

1155
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,520
you i just think that

1156
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,960
you know i sort of had this naive

1157
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,520
perception that uh research should kind

1158
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,280
of speak for itself

1159
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,720
and you should get attention from the

1160
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,720
work that you do not because you know

1161
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,520
you're great on camera right

1162
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,200
but you know and i mean part of every

1163
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,880
point is i'm not great on camera you

1164
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,440
know so i realize that's not my strength

1165
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,839
my strength is in research and

1166
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,960
probably

1167
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,800
being able to kind of tell what's what's

1168
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:10,000
real and what's not that's kind of i

1169
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,119
think you know

1170
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,079
so i kind of try to focus on that but

1171
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,000
yeah i don't really i don't know okay

1172
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,160
let's let's start to break this down

1173
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:19,680
we're going to do this in a few

1174
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,559
different segments uh tonight

1175
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:25,119
and and i'm you know we're calling this

1176
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,119
the the uh a paranormal uh report card

1177
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,960
tonight we're going to break all of this

1178
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,839
down

1179
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,400
when you started uh

1180
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,559
well you started at the age of 12 was

1181
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,400
the first thing that you did over in

1182
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:40,160
england and i get that

1183
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:45,040
but as far as getting your feet wet here

1184
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:45,920
uh

1185
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:48,880
in in the paranormal supernatural ufo

1186
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:52,640
community was there a researcher uh back

1187
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,599
then

1188
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,839
that you admired and looked up to and

1189
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,520
said you know this is this is really

1190
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,680
cool and and this is what i admire and

1191
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,800
this is what i would like to do

1192
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,520
there was in cryptozoology which was uh

1193
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,880
bernard

1194
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,079
which is a

1195
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,400
belgium um cryptozoologist a lot of

1196
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,480
people don't even know existed uh

1197
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,559
because he was the first academic to

1198
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,720
kind of take a look at uh

1199
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,559
you know what was considered paranormal

1200
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,079
back in those days

1201
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,240
but from the ufo or paranormal side i

1202
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,319
really didn't you know

1203
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,920
i didn't have anybody specifically that

1204
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,119
i kind of looked up to it you know you

1205
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,720
have to remember to rebecca knows that

1206
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,079
the internet

1207
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,280
wasn't quite as

1208
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,960
relevant as it is today so you didn't

1209
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,559
have access

1210
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:36,000
to all this information all these

1211
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,359
researchers you just had kind of

1212
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,119
whatever books kind of came out

1213
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,359
so uh there's nobody specifically you

1214
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,640
know figurehead-wise that i really

1215
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,640
looked up to to be honest

1216
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,880
so it was and the reason why i asked it

1217
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,359
was uh was it the crypto side of things

1218
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:51,760
the cryptozoology side of things that

1219
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,800
drew you in first

1220
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,760
um

1221
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,520
no i said the ufo thing was kind of drew

1222
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,000
me in first as a kid i um somebody

1223
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,160
bought me a comic book

1224
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,400
and um i was visiting my grandparents

1225
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,720
who lived in a small village in france

1226
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,240
and i think my grandfather i'm guessing

1227
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,400
bought me uh this huge like hardback

1228
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,000
comic book and it was all it was all

1229
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,160
stories about real life ufo events from

1230
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:16,000
uh um

1231
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,200
you know from

1232
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:20,000
from first abduction in brazil in 1957

1233
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,800
to

1234
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,800
you name it it was all uh it was all on

1235
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,200
there and that was kind of like my first

1236
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,720
because it's a true story on it that was

1237
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,240
my first inkling

1238
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,160
and i was like wow this stuff actually

1239
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,920
happened

1240
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,200
it must have been

1241
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:36,640
eight maybe right right right right and

1242
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:39,440
uh but it was interesting that it was a

1243
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,960
a cryptozoology researcher that you

1244
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,440
admire first and who are you

1245
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,800
uh because we're going to talk about

1246
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,040
what's going on today and i want the

1247
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:51,440
audience to get a feel for

1248
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,760
uh what acclimated you to uh ufo

1249
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,760
research and where your

1250
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,319
uh you know where you hold the bar

1251
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,280
as far as solid research is so let's

1252
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,480
look at the

1253
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,559
the ufo side of things back when you

1254
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,000
started into this

1255
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:10,079
who were the ufo researchers that you

1256
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,270
back then i think uh linda molten howe

1257
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,119
because that was right kind of after she

1258
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:21,119
did her cattle mutilation

1259
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,559
study right i still had the original

1260
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,760
books

1261
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,119
that

1262
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:29,040
come to think of it only because

1263
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,559
it was something tangible that he could

1264
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,480
measure and after thinking that wait

1265
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,000
this is not just about looking up in the

1266
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,000
sky and hoping that you're going to see

1267
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,680
something or going back and taking you

1268
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,119
know people's sightings reports and all

1269
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,559
that there's actually a physical

1270
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,000
evidence that you can go

1271
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,800
down and measure and correlate to the

1272
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,359
ufo phenomena and that had a huge impact

1273
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,440
on the way i would go on to investigate

1274
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,440
later on well that's an interesting

1275
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:53,280
point to make because

1276
00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:57,440
uh tangible evidence in the ufo field

1277
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:58,839
because of

1278
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,400
what that represents i mean what could

1279
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,160
be evidence

1280
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,800
right in the ufo that's that's the holy

1281
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,000
grail

1282
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,520
so

1283
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,240
what do you consider evidence in the ufo

1284
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,510
uh none of it so far i don't think we

1285
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,280
have any evidence hard evidence

1286
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,599
whatsoever we have because everything's

1287
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,040
kind of correlated right we have these

1288
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,880
abduction reports and we have

1289
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,760
you know implants right but

1290
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,359
it's still just a correlation there's no

1291
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,040
direct cause because

1292
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,960
we don't really really know

1293
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,720
condos got in there so it doesn't count

1294
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:37,040
to me even the cutting election today

1295
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,920
it's

1296
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,599
we know that ufos have been seeing

1297
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,119
around the cattle the night before the

1298
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:42,480
day after whatever

1299
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,599
but

1300
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,559
aside from maybe a handful of um

1301
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,640
eyewitness that claimed to have seen you

1302
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,160
know the cattle lift ufos off the ground

1303
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,079
we don't know for sure

1304
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,520
um i think evidence is out there you

1305
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,319
know i honestly 100 believe that there

1306
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:58,240
are structures out there left over maybe

1307
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,680
in you know places like siberia i know

1308
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,880
there's a lot of tails down there

1309
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,960
there's there's absolutely bodies there

1310
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:05,440
has to be there has to be a dna trait

1311
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,640
somewhere

1312
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,440
either buried or even within our own dna

1313
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,160
but i 100 don't think any of the claims

1314
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,240
has come forth so far in terms of

1315
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:17,119
evidence is uh sufficient

1316
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:21,359
well okay so what do we do uh

1317
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,359
uh about sightings video photographs and

1318
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,599
sightings of witnesses we'll get back

1319
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,040
we'll circle back around to the

1320
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,000
abduction side of things but you and i

1321
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:33,599
uh personally

1322
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,200
uh had that fantastic sighting out in uh

1323
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,960
29 palms

1324
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,040
uh with steve and the rest of the fader

1325
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,520
knots when we were out on on the patio

1326
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,160
there when that thing shot up out of the

1327
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:47,920
middle of the desert floor and went

1328
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,960
straight up and and into the stars

1329
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,280
now when something like that happens it

1330
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:55,359
could be it's you know paranormal

1331
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,400
supernatural like you know it could be a

1332
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,119
uh some interdimensional spirit being

1333
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,119
orb i don't know what it was

1334
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,839
but clearly it happened when somebody

1335
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,720
said it'd be cool if we saw a ufo

1336
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,839
and and you being there what did you

1337
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,559
think you saw that night

1338
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,920
i think we saw

1339
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,920
something abnormal something anomalous

1340
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,240
there so it fits you know it fits the

1341
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:22,960
ufo model look i've seen maybe five or

1342
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:24,800
six ufos in my lifetime including up

1343
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,920
close 100 percent are real they exist

1344
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,680
but that's different than saying that

1345
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,280
you can prove it you know and that's

1346
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,599
kind of like i think we have to hold

1347
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,880
ourselves to a higher standard when it

1348
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:37,440
comes to evidence because ultimately

1349
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,800
we have to prove this to the rest of the

1350
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,960
world to the non-believers and

1351
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,640
look i've seen a ufo i was thinking i

1352
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,480
was on a plane one time coming back from

1353
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,319
uh from canada

1354
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,520
and i saw this like uh this beige brown

1355
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,599
round object kind of tailed the plane

1356
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:53,440
right outside my window and i saw it it

1357
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:56,240
was it wasn't that far you know so

1358
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,119
100

1359
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,480
it couldn't have been anything else

1360
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:00,960
right it was anomalous it was by very

1361
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,000
definition it was a ufo but

1362
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,599
it's still to me it's still not hard

1363
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:08,000
evidence

1364
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,200
you uh

1365
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,040
yeah okay okay

1366
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,760
you uh had an amazing

1367
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,480
you made contact uh in beverly hills in

1368
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,079
your backyard

1369
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,839
right yeah correct when i was 10 yeah

1370
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,079
yeah you made contact

1371
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,319
and what more

1372
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,200
do you need uh

1373
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,960
for proof

1374
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,520
oh it's not me i'm 100 convinced right

1375
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,559
but

1376
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,119
it's not about me i think i'm you know i

1377
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,280
kind of like to

1378
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,640
arrogantly i guess kind of think of

1379
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,720
myself as trying to kind of bridge

1380
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,000
you know the

1381
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:44,000
the gap between us people who have

1382
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,200
experiences or people you know

1383
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,119
researchers and the rest of the world

1384
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,440
that knows absolutely nothing you know

1385
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,839
so i always try to think what

1386
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,280
would be considered evidence and what's

1387
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,440
sufficient for

1388
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,960
for those people for people that don't

1389
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,640
believe in it or don't know

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anything about the phenomena look i can

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you know like that experience that i was

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ten it was up close i've seen there's

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two other witnesses there's no doubt

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right in my mind

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but it's still just a story and we know

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how

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and we know our uh our

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no we lost so we lost the alex we got to

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reset the phones uh we're going to take

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a break here anyway this is fade to

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black i'm nervous jimmy church our guest

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tonight is alex misstreta and i'm just

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looking at thomas's tweet here it says

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how can this guy say there is no

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sufficient evidence has he ever heard of

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that's not what he said

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well that is what he said and that is

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alex mastretta this is fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church we'll be right

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back after this short break

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welcome back fade to black

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i'm heroes jimmy church tonight our

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guest is alex mastretta

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[Music]

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one of the very few full-time

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professional investigators in our

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01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:42,160
community

1544
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:43,760
who's been

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01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,400
he's been it he's been everywhere when i

1546
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,079
say that he was

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01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,079
the mufon los angeles director of

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investigations and what comes with that

1549
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,000
is

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01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:57,520
uh the los angeles chapter mufon uh used

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to be i don't know where it is now

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01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:01,760
uh the largest chapter in the world of

1553
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,440
mufon and uh huge monthly meetings that

1554
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,440
i used to go to back in the day

1555
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,680
and that that says a lot right there

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01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,839
alex and you've been watching this

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01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:13,119
community

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01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:17,039
uh with its ab and flow uh with tensions

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uh

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you know going around for years

1561
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uh where are we at today with the

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community

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yes

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i think we're eliminating the mess i

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think it's uh

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a lot more in fact it used to be it's

1567
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,640
becoming more powerful and there's a

1568
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:38,400
little bit more money from television i

1569
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,359
don't think we're in a good place you

1570
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:40,799
know i don't at least personally i don't

1571
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,319
like where we're at right now why

1572
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:46,640
because it's become about

1573
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,039
the personalities not so much about

1574
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,760
research and um what's true what's not

1575
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:53,200
it doesn't seem to matter anymore and

1576
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,640
it's a lot more polarized than it used

1577
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:56,799
to be it's like yeah and i think that

1578
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,039
obviously that's that's reflected in

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other aspects of our country and the

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world but it's like either one side is

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all right

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is right all the time and everybody else

1583
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is wrong you know there's no more middle

1584
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ground in our field it seems like

1585
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and um

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not just that but i see a lot of people

1587
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kind of grouping together trying to kind

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of have a monopoly on the information

1589
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that's coming forward and that worries

1590
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:21,200
me a little bit you know

1591
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,480
is has that has that always been there

1592
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,319
though

1593
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,079
yeah i think so i think

1594
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,760
maybe not to this extent though and i

1595
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:31,119
don't know maybe i'm more frustrated

1596
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,240
with that i used to be somebody i

1597
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:33,839
noticed it more you know

1598
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but

1599
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um i think we've always had the

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potential to go in that direction but i

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just think that um the extra attention

1602
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,280
placed upon the field mostly i think by

1603
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:45,760
you know from television that's kind of

1604
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:47,119
just kind of amped that up you know it's

1605
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:48,319
like it's

1606
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,240
it's it's on crack well it it in years

1607
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,880
gone past and you know i may be wrong

1608
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:56,160
alex but

1609
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:00,319
we we had the billy meyer group

1610
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:03,440
right right and that whole thing and

1611
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:04,960
then we had

1612
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,400
the the richard hoagland face on mars

1613
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:11,039
crowd we had you know all of that and

1614
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,000
that of course uh the roswell uh crowd

1615
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,119
uh surfaced too as well and

1616
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,160
uh and william moore and and what was

1617
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,960
going on with him and then you can throw

1618
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,240
in the

1619
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:29,280
uh the mj 12 documents and i you know

1620
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,160
this is going back you know 30 35 you

1621
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,839
know 40 years

1622
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,319
uh for a lot and then you had wendell

1623
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,720
stevens and all of his photographs and

1624
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:40,799
evidence and and crash retrieval

1625
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:42,480
information

1626
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,280
you know what i mean where we had

1627
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:47,680
all we always had different groups that

1628
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,520
were you know on the playground uh uh

1629
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,240
saying that their their mo their

1630
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,309
yeah no you're right but they didn't

1631
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,480
team up like they do today

1632
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:04,240
and i think that's a little bit of a new

1633
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:05,440
deal you know

1634
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:06,400
like

1635
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,760
you know i mean you look at you know the

1636
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,839
whole uh the tip and the academy of the

1637
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,160
stars and all that and teaming teaming

1638
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,559
up with beerus you know known

1639
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:16,480
personalities in ufo field and other

1640
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,599
groups

1641
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,440
and it's these entities are becoming a

1642
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,640
little bigger i think than they used to

1643
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:22,640
be right and i think that's a little bit

1644
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,000
of a concern and where uh you were uh

1645
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,720
with mufon for a very very long time in

1646
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,720
fact that's how i met you uh was through

1647
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,319
movement yeah

1648
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,280
13 years ago at 13 years you were there

1649
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,559
where is is mufon today in the ufo

1650
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,799
community

1651
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:43,039
um on the bottom

1652
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:43,839
i

1653
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,680
some of the local chapters

1654
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:51,359
like you know i have great investigators

1655
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,400
i could i don't respect like

1656
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:56,240
which is you know head of a chapter up

1657
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:59,599
north there's a lot of great investment

1658
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,079
i'm losing you again alex uh your

1659
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:04,960
reception is is crapping out

1660
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,520
let me move another spot in my apartment

1661
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,760
okay well we'll find out go ahead and

1662
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,839
repeat that you said northern california

1663
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,200
i think

1664
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,799
yeah for example you have ruben oriarte

1665
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,400
up there who does fantastic work right

1666
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:17,839
there's a lot of excellent investigative

1667
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:21,759
within mufon but i think mufan as a

1668
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,640
as a group has completely lost this way

1669
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,880
and they're becoming irrelevant

1670
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,880
and i'm gonna be honest yeah and and why

1671
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,279
do you okay but but why that's the

1672
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,120
question why do you think that

1673
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,040
you know when when you have an

1674
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:37,759
organization with such a storied history

1675
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,799
it would seem uh

1676
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,319
to be able to attract the best

1677
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:44,640
investigators and attract the best

1678
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,839
uh ufo sightings and cases that they

1679
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,600
would have nothing but growth and

1680
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,799
respect why the downward uh direction in

1681
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,560
mufon

1682
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:56,560
i think because they've refused to take

1683
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,880
a stand on a lot of uh important issues

1684
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,159
now obviously it started with i think

1685
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,480
with certain individuals that you know

1686
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:04,799
part of the board that was kind of you

1687
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,679
know

1688
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,000
had borderline white supremacists to be

1689
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,279
honest you know and mufon did nothing

1690
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,719
absolutely nothing

1691
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:14,319
to counteract that they just they

1692
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,440
ignored it

1693
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:18,000
um they also endorsed

1694
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:19,359
they've been endorsing what it's kind of

1695
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,719
popular you know the latest wherever the

1696
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,080
latest whistleblower well let's do a

1697
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:23,440
conference with that guy because he's

1698
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,560
popular

1699
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,759
that's not what new phone was supposed

1700
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,199
to stand for supposed to supposed to be

1701
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,520
a scientific investigative group right

1702
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,839
at its base so in their uh in their

1703
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,960
model

1704
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,960
so they've they've you know they go off

1705
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,239
to the money now they're hooking

1706
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,679
themselves up with you know their

1707
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,080
television shows again for money and you

1708
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,400
know basically

1709
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,759
to get there

1710
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,359
to be up there with the big boys it's

1711
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,880
none of it's about research anymore now

1712
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,799
that it's about looking for the truth

1713
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,480
it's about positioning yourself within

1714
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:51,920
the ufo community and that's a lot of

1715
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:54,080
energy and um

1716
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:55,120
and time

1717
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,960
and i think

1718
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,480
look

1719
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,400
you know their time has passed that's i

1720
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,000
think time you know i think all grooves

1721
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:04,159
at some point kind of

1722
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,520
go away but

1723
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,400
i think for me personally the refusal to

1724
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,640
take a stand on specific issues

1725
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:12,159
for what's right

1726
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,600
is uh was the beginning of their

1727
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,120
downfall

1728
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,920
how can they turn it around if if if you

1729
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:19,520
were in control

1730
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,760
what would you do to turn around move on

1731
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:25,040
uh first of all i would fire everybody

1732
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:26,080
at the top

1733
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:27,199
okay

1734
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,840
it's and

1735
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,600
all those i mean and look some of those

1736
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,960
guys at the top are probably pretty good

1737
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:36,000
guys right

1738
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,520
and um and i don't you know i've been

1739
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,800
away for too long i don't know everybody

1740
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,880
that well or at all really

1741
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,000
but

1742
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:44,000
if they've been willing to you know grow

1743
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:44,960
up here

1744
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,320
take a stand and do what's right

1745
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,920
it they don't they don't belong they

1746
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,320
don't belong in running a ufo um

1747
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,159
we're a full group because

1748
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,520
this isn't about

1749
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:57,040
preaching to the choir right me fond

1750
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,560
originally was supposed again it was

1751
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,320
supposed to be the bridge between

1752
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,640
what we what we know to be true

1753
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,080
and the rest of the world and bring out

1754
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:06,159
information to the rest of the world and

1755
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,120
um

1756
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,880
elevate the ufo

1757
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,960
right uh phenomena

1758
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,960
in in public consciousness so to speak

1759
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,239
and i've been doing none of that it's

1760
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:16,080
all been very self-serving so i would

1761
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:17,199
just get rid of everybody and start from

1762
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:18,480
scratch

1763
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,400
with um with ufo research in general and

1764
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,719
when you have somebody out there that

1765
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:26,640
has had a sighting

1766
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,760
or has made contact you know somebody

1767
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,440
like me which i have

1768
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:33,679
um how do they

1769
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,159
uh how how do you keep their interest in

1770
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:39,199
the subject without getting discouraged

1771
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:40,880
these days because

1772
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,159
it seems you know like going to mufon uh

1773
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,040
with your sighting or report

1774
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,440
you know nothing may happen

1775
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:51,840
and and i've heard these stories over

1776
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,159
and over again where i've got an email i

1777
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,560
had the sighting i contacted move on

1778
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,800
nobody reached out to me so i'm

1779
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,040
contacting you what do i do what what

1780
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:03,120
advice do you give to somebody to keep

1781
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:07,120
them positive about what is going on

1782
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,400
honestly there's not much you can say

1783
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,400
because another we can't follow up with

1784
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,400
everyone you know like i mean when i was

1785
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:14,640
uh an investigator i tried i always

1786
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,760
called somebody on the phone and tried

1787
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,360
to meet him face to face every single

1788
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,880
time if i could

1789
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:20,159
and then you sort of have to follow up

1790
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,440
you know after that you know how they

1791
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,199
feel about things and all that but this

1792
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,199
does there isn't an answer because we

1793
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,880
just we don't have a large enough group

1794
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,880
and a large enough funding source that

1795
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,239
we can follow up with all those people

1796
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,159
on a regular basis

1797
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,560
but i think a modicum of respect should

1798
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,080
be to at least call somebody that

1799
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,000
reports a sighting you know at the very

1800
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,239
least and i mean that needs to be that

1801
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,679
needs to be done you know at least get

1802
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,600
in touch with them it's not because then

1803
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,520
otherwise they feel like

1804
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:47,040
they're just giving you

1805
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,480
what happened for a lot of people this

1806
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:50,320
is very personal right these we forget

1807
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,520
sometimes we're taking out a lot of

1808
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,960
reports and sightings but there's people

1809
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,440
behind those and some some of those

1810
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,880
encounters are traumatic for some

1811
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,159
individual and we need to understand

1812
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,239
that and deal with that accordingly

1813
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,679
so i think that's the first step is

1814
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,880
understanding that these are actual

1815
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,080
people and you should follow up with

1816
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,920
absolutely everybody if you can

1817
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:07,199
and but that's stuff to do you know i

1818
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:08,239
had a guy

1819
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,360
even uh

1820
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,440
two three years ago obviously this had

1821
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,040
nothing to do with ours or fun or

1822
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,560
anything was me personally this guy

1823
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,640
called me about exciting and i'll call

1824
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,920
them back i'm like well give me a couple

1825
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,440
days to see when i can come up and see

1826
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:21,600
you and a day later you know he called

1827
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:24,400
me 14 times like 14 messages and one of

1828
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:25,520
them threatened to kill me with a

1829
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,960
shotgun

1830
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:28,560
so

1831
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,920
can't you gotta leave leave alone you

1832
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:33,360
know you can't

1833
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,800
deal with them but

1834
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:36,320
i think it starts with understanding

1835
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,440
that these are people having real

1836
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,159
experiences and uh you get a treat you

1837
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,600
have to treat them accordingly you know

1838
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,560
as

1839
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:44,320
like you would if you're a psychologist

1840
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,440
for example somebody come in they have

1841
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:47,920
an issue they're not a number you know

1842
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,719
and

1843
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:50,000
i know that's hard to do but i think

1844
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,440
that's the first step

1845
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,440
with um

1846
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:56,400
with your research over the years

1847
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:57,360
uh

1848
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:02,000
one of the things that was always

1849
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,520
in the way

1850
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,600
between this community and the

1851
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,320
government was they had information they

1852
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:10,640
were withholding it they were lying to

1853
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,360
us and they were also calling us crazy

1854
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:16,080
and and and so forth we were conspiracy

1855
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:17,120
theorists

1856
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:17,920
and

1857
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:24,400
a battle that was always fault today

1858
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,360
uh

1859
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,600
you know over the last couple of years

1860
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:28,719
now

1861
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:31,360
there are those in this ufo community

1862
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,320
both not only with to the stars but

1863
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:37,040
now people around to the stars and

1864
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:39,040
members of this community that are

1865
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,320
suddenly putting all of their trust in

1866
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:43,920
the department of defense and the

1867
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,719
pentagon and the cia

1868
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,480
for the information that is coming

1869
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,000
forward

1870
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,880
that's a pretty dangerous zone to get

1871
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,280
into and i'm talking about trusting the

1872
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,400
man as this has been developing what's

1873
01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:00,000
your take

1874
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,440
i think it's an extremely dangerous

1875
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:03,199
position because

1876
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:05,040
look when that whole thing first started

1877
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,400
you know i

1878
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:08,320
i defended some of the you know some of

1879
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:09,760
you some people had negative comments

1880
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:11,440
towards you know to the stars academy

1881
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,640
what they were trying to do i thought

1882
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,000
hey let's give it a try see where it

1883
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,239
goes it you know it could be it could be

1884
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:18,159
a good thing right

1885
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:19,440
but

1886
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,600
your info from the very people that

1887
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,280
first of all their entire job

1888
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:27,199
description is to lie and spread this

1889
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,480
information that's what they do for a

1890
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,239
living and they're better at it than any

1891
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,159
of us and smarter you know than most of

1892
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,600
us

1893
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,880
and now

1894
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,520
like by so many people joining them or

1895
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,280
giving them their trust or you know

1896
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,960
groups like you fun joining them and all

1897
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,760
that

1898
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,199
you're giving them

1899
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:45,520
so much power and so much control over

1900
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:48,800
what information comes out

1901
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:49,760
that

1902
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,560
it

1903
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:52,080
i mean you're giving the very people

1904
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:52,800
that

1905
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,760
you the truth holding back info now

1906
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,840
you're now you're trusting him to give

1907
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,239
you the truth

1908
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:04,159
or for everything to be funneled through

1909
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,600
their eyes

1910
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:07,120
i mean how do you know how does that

1911
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,000
work

1912
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:10,000
that's a very dangerous

1913
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,840
now this is not that's like less people

1914
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,679
control more information in the ufo

1915
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:15,199
community and that's really not the way

1916
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:16,400
to go

1917
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:20,159
do you think it's done by design

1918
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:23,199
100 absolutely i think it's been a plan

1919
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,800
you know i talked about this i was uh

1920
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,239
giving grand cameron a ride in the car

1921
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:28,080
one time we had a long conversation

1922
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,440
about that and

1923
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:31,120
i read a lot of i agree with a lot of

1924
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:32,640
things he says and i was kind of telling

1925
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,920
him the same thing ago i think this has

1926
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,920
been planned for for a while now and

1927
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:37,199
this is you know this is kind of just

1928
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,560
coming to fruition

1929
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,760
you know today

1930
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:41,360
and it's going to be like you know every

1931
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:42,239
other

1932
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,440
piece of this information there's going

1933
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,719
to be some good evidence and there's

1934
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,640
going to be some real info that's going

1935
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:48,480
to come out but around that they're

1936
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:49,840
going to build

1937
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,800
a denial system you know or

1938
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,920
i mean i'm not you know i don't think

1939
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,360
they'll go as far as back in like you

1940
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:58,080
know uh the the b rich uh you know the

1941
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,840
alien eats uh strawberry ice cream type

1942
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,920
of deal i think we've evolved the

1943
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,600
discrimination campaign has evolved

1944
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:05,040
beyond that

1945
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,320
and that's it's a very you know they're

1946
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,679
using media smartly right they're

1947
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:10,080
getting a show of a history channel

1948
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,800
so

1949
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:12,239
i mean obviously if you have all this

1950
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:13,040
you know

1951
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:16,640
release and you're the first person

1952
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:17,600
who's going to really say you're going

1953
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,560
to go straight to the history channel

1954
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,080
and have a little show on it it's just

1955
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,640
another way i think to just kind of like

1956
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:23,920
control

1957
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,480
the field and

1958
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,280
and yeah heck yes dangerous

1959
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,800
the uh

1960
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:32,640
the report you just mentioned grant

1961
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,840
cameron

1962
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:34,640
uh

1963
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,159
who who i think is is is very honest i i

1964
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:40,960
really do and very very committed very

1965
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,080
committed

1966
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:44,480
uh to trying to get this question

1967
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:45,520
answered

1968
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,280
um and i i would give grant an a uh on

1969
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,040
his report card uh what other

1970
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:52,719
researchers out there

1971
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,760
uh deserve an a

1972
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,199
uh

1973
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:59,040
nolan

1974
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:01,040
dolan i'm sorry all right you're going

1975
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:02,159
and uh

1976
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,600
the one guy doesn't get mentioned of

1977
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,960
christopher o'brien

1978
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,320
absolutely

1979
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,360
he gets an a i thought i mean a plus for

1980
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:10,719
what that guy's been done throughout the

1981
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:13,280
years you know um

1982
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,560
that's how i kind of come those three

1983
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:15,920
are the main ones that come to mind

1984
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:17,760
right now

1985
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,280
and when we look at uh i don't want to

1986
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:23,520
you know mention names with with failing

1987
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,640
grades

1988
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,480
but

1989
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:29,760
we're talking about dozens and dozens of

1990
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:32,640
uh a-list researchers out there

1991
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:35,520
that are missing from the a column on

1992
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,239
the report card

1993
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:41,199
why i mean what what what's going wrong

1994
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:44,400
today with ufo research

1995
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:47,920
that you can't give more passing grades

1996
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,320
i think it's and i've i've talked about

1997
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,080
this as steve uh steve marillo a couple

1998
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,080
times it seems that and this has been

1999
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,760
going on ever since with that ufo

2000
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:58,239
researcher a lot of researchers you know

2001
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,280
start off

2002
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:01,120
100 honest

2003
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:02,400
and um

2004
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:03,760
you know they do great work the whole

2005
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:04,880
deal

2006
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,520
but as time goes on for whatever reason

2007
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:08,960
um

2008
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:10,960
your ability to discern what's real and

2009
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,159
what's not suffers

2010
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:16,400
and it seems to me there's only a few

2011
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,760
individuals in this field that kind of

2012
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,960
manage

2013
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:21,360
to keep the compass where it should be

2014
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,640
and i don't know where that stems from

2015
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,920
you know honestly

2016
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,440
like even

2017
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
look even um we were talking about you

2018
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:29,760
know linda earlier and her cow emulation

2019
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,520
from early work is fantastic but

2020
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,600
personally i disagree

2021
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,280
and she's i think she's honest right but

2022
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,719
personally i disagree with for example

2023
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,400
her drone her work on the drones and i

2024
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,080
think she to me she lost a little bit

2025
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,320
that ability to discern

2026
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,320
what's wrong and what's not much less so

2027
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,880
than a lot of other people you know but

2028
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,880
and it's hard because you know i think

2029
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,239
as the years go on we get all really

2030
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,480
frustrated in terms of um

2031
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:55,280
not getting answers and um seeing other

2032
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,480
people you know and there's a prize

2033
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,159
thing right we see other people like get

2034
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,520
television shows and get money and

2035
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:01,600
funding whatever because

2036
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:03,040
you know they're they claim to be either

2037
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:04,400
whistleblowers or they come up with

2038
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:05,679
these big stories that more often than

2039
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,440
not are not true

2040
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:09,199
so i think that psychologically you kind

2041
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,480
of convince yourself a lot of these

2042
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:12,159
other stories are true

2043
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,640
and um and you know and you kind of go

2044
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,400
down that road

2045
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,760
the and i think that's uh that's the

2046
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,400
problem yeah that's where that's where

2047
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:22,320
you and i i think we've discussed this

2048
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,640
before uh privately but

2049
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,400
i i

2050
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,199
i'm i'm still uh up in the air about the

2051
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,600
dragonfly drones

2052
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,679
i researched that from the very very

2053
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:35,520
beginning when the photographs first

2054
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:38,880
surfaced on the web i was on that story

2055
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:42,239
i still have uh to this day

2056
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:43,199
uh

2057
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:46,880
a dragonfly drones folder that i have

2058
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,920
passed on from computer to computer

2059
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:52,320
going back i don't know how many years

2060
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:53,440
and

2061
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,640
um

2062
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:56,800
i'm i'm still

2063
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:59,280
i i i think there's something to that

2064
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,400
story

2065
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,120
i really really do

2066
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:04,560
yeah i'll say this though it's one of

2067
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,840
the stories that i haven't researched

2068
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:07,520
particularly that well so i was just

2069
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,719
kind of using it as an example and i'm

2070
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:10,159
willing to be wrong on it it's one of

2071
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:11,520
the stories i'm willing to be wrong some

2072
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:12,480
i'm not

2073
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,239
you know but i mean ultimately we all we

2074
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,560
all want it to be real you know but

2075
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,239
i think and that's

2076
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,679
but that's the mistake i think a lot of

2077
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,840
investigators make because we still want

2078
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:25,040
it to be real

2079
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:25,760
we

2080
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,280
around

2081
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:31,440
our defenses in terms of

2082
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:33,280
we led more in than we should i think we

2083
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,560
should have the opposite effect but

2084
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,719
because we want it to be real

2085
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:40,080
so badly we should kind of raise where

2086
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,760
the evidence needs to be even above

2087
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,679
you know uh

2088
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:46,800
yeah i don't even know how to explain it

2089
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,120
really but yeah yeah and and and what

2090
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:51,679
about the efforts of uh

2091
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:53,920
john greenwald in the black vault

2092
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:56,480
certainly he deserves an a

2093
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,360
oh a plus plus john you know without our

2094
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,679
disagreements in all simple years

2095
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,480
but um he's uh he's the best of the best

2096
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:06,080
he's done i think

2097
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,440
he's done more for this field than

2098
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,719
almost anybody because i think the black

2099
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,560
bald again it's one of those

2100
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:12,320
groups and the black vault and john that

2101
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:13,920
kind of transcends the community right

2102
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,639
people outside of the community

2103
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:18,080
can go to black bulk and they'll find

2104
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,520
something they're interested in not

2105
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:21,360
necessarily uf4 related then i'll bring

2106
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,320
him to

2107
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,960
you know the some of the ufo stories

2108
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,400
so i think he's yeah absolutely john

2109
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:28,159
greenwald a-plus

2110
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,679
and uh then if we if we go back a little

2111
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,239
bit i do want to discuss the uk before

2112
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:35,679
we get out of here when we come back

2113
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,800
we've got to jump around to uh uh

2114
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:40,400
bigfoot when we come back after the

2115
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,199
break

2116
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,400
um but then we have uh you know guys

2117
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:47,040
like you know jacques valet

2118
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,280
that has just

2119
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:51,040
chosen to

2120
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:54,560
to back up and and and off of this field

2121
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,560
when he was one of the most respected

2122
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:00,800
uh intellectuals uh professional

2123
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,760
intellectuals in in our community that

2124
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,520
has chosen to take a step back you know

2125
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,880
he's he's a money guy now up in silicon

2126
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:10,800
valley and that's his thing and which is

2127
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:12,560
great fantastic you know he's an

2128
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,679
investor

2129
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:15,360
but um

2130
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:20,639
this field needs uh more jacques valets

2131
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,760
yeah i mean i

2132
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,440
met the gentleman one time

2133
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,960
but i always say that

2134
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,719
you should never be a ufo investigator

2135
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:28,239
until you write all of jack valley's

2136
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:29,120
work

2137
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,719
but but here's the thing this goes back

2138
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,880
to your prior point in fact i think jack

2139
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,040
valley stopped when he said all he had

2140
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,239
to say say about his particular research

2141
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:39,679
his subject

2142
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,120
anything more he might have had to

2143
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,120
add on that maybe so that's not true or

2144
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,040
make stuff up or you know to keep it

2145
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,719
alive you want to keep it going and

2146
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:50,320
there's there's only so much material

2147
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,360
you have

2148
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,199
in your research right and i think maybe

2149
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,280
in his mind he stopped before he reached

2150
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,760
a point where he was becoming dishonest

2151
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,360
or he had to maybe you know stretch the

2152
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,880
truth a little bit or go into a

2153
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:03,120
territory he's not comfortable with yeah

2154
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,719
yeah he's got a lot of respect to him

2155
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,639
for that you know yeah yeah he pretty

2156
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:08,960
much said that to me we uh we had a

2157
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,199
conversation about

2158
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:13,520
uh well a few times about him uh coming

2159
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,800
on fade to black and uh not to get into

2160
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,960
those details because there were many of

2161
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,159
those but

2162
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,960
one day i mean he looked right at me and

2163
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,199
he said you know with that voice right

2164
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:27,040
that accident he's a big tall guy too

2165
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:28,880
right he's looking down at me

2166
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:31,920
and uh he goes jimmy i just don't have

2167
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,480
anything new to say

2168
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,560
i don't have anything new i don't want

2169
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:38,159
to revisit the past

2170
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,719
when when when i have something

2171
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:42,880
right let's do this but right now i have

2172
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,920
nothing new and that that's right right

2173
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,679
what can i say to that

2174
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:49,040
you know of course i would love to have

2175
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,320
him on the show he's like the one guy

2176
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,120
that i that i haven't interviewed that i

2177
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,880
would love to uh

2178
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,280
uh have my chance at asking him a few

2179
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:58,560
questions but

2180
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,080
that's that's his position and i

2181
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,320
couldn't get him to bend

2182
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,840
yeah

2183
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,760
no that's it i think that's that's goes

2184
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:07,360
to your prior point exactly right that's

2185
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:09,280
what we all should do really if we have

2186
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,320
nothing else to say now what do we do

2187
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,400
well what do we do we're going to be uh

2188
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:16,320
uh heading towards a break here

2189
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,120
what what do we do today to change ufo

2190
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:21,199
research and and and push this thing

2191
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:23,679
closer to disclosure it seems like we

2192
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:25,679
got all the videos all the films all the

2193
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:28,560
eyewitness testimony all of the abduct

2194
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:31,360
we have all of that that we need what do

2195
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,400
we do

2196
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,280
you as an investigator uh to push this

2197
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:37,280
thing forward

2198
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,840
uh money we need more money we need a

2199
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,360
professional uh service where

2200
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:43,120
investigators get paid

2201
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,199
and are able to go out

2202
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:47,360
and get uh evidence and that that's

2203
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:48,719
really lacking i mean everything that we

2204
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,639
do is just like

2205
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,480
like one of my best cases was the pine

2206
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,000
mountain case so we had a landing case

2207
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,840
in the mountains and earlier i was able

2208
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:57,199
to go there was two months after the

2209
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:58,320
fact

2210
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,320
you know so we need to create a system

2211
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where investigators are on the drop of

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the hat

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have all the funding they need to go

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where they need to go

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and i think we also need to establish a

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01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:11,600
multidisciplinary approach where we're

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01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:12,800
looking at this from all kinds of

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01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,360
different angles because again the idea

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for me is to bring this to the world

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01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,800
right this phenomenon doesn't belong to

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us it belongs to everybody to the world

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it's the most important subject on the

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planet today period

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so in order to do that though we got to

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find

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something for people to grab on to now

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01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,360
you know for example you bring up

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01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,800
abduction that's too much for you know

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01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,880
80 of the population but you take a

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01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,280
multidisciplinary approach where you

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01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:39,280
sure yours you'll have a calculation

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01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,480
you'll have your abductions you'll have

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01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:43,600
dna research i think is the next step

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01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,480
and um also an ex exploration

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01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,239
uh aspect of what we for example would

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01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:50,000
go out in siberia and investigate and

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01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:51,440
try to get some hard evidence you know

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about stories of ancient structures and

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all that

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and but that needs they need to have a

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central hub and investigators need to

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01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:01,520
get paid and they need to be uh

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01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,800
they need to be legit you know you need

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01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,880
scientists you need explorers you need

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01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:07,199
that's the next step it's a big step

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01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:09,520
but i think if we don't move in that

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direction

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we're just going to be you know amateurs

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running around

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you know taking eyewitness accounts and

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looking up at the sky with uh you know

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with a cheap infrared

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hey don't don't don't don't bag on my

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night vision goggles man that's my fault

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i love that dude i love that stuff

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i can't afford one so i i use it

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whenever i can get a hold of it but it's

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you know

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no they're great i've seen something

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yeah i'm just messing with you i'm just

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messing with you

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that that to me and we're going to take

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a break here in 20 seconds

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night vision goggles and seeing what's

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going on up up in the skies

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that that's a game changer for anybody

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where you sit and you're looking and

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then you look at the night vision you

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pull them down and you go back and

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you're watching stuff zigzag and do

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these crazy stuff in the sky and you

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know that you can't see it with the

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naked eye and it's going on above you

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every single night but nobody knows but

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now we have the ability to go and watch

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all of it i think it's one of the most

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fascinating parts of ufology today this

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is fade to black our guest tonight alex

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miss stretta

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when we come back he's one of the

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leading bigfoot researchers out there

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welcome back fate to black communist

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jimmy church

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our guest tonight alex mistretta

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giving us his report card on our

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paranormal supernatural ufo community

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and none better to do this and alex

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we've got to uh

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change gears here and get over to what's

2395
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going on uh you know today with uh

2396
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bigfoot you've been out there

2397
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:33,360
investigating bigfoot for how many years

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wow it's been um

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well out in the field my first on time

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out in the field was only about three

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years ago but it's something i've been

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following closely since uh since college

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really i uh my bachelors and then one of

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my bachelor's in anthropology and it was

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specifically because of bigfoot

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and okay

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01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:53,679
what

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let's start here let's start on on solid

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ground

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01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:01,600
uh no pun intended uh in your estimation

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01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,480
uh with what you have investigated

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01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:06,560
are we looking for

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01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:09,440
uh something that is real

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01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,639
uh 100

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01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:11,760
yes

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and and and what evidence and not only

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01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,400
the evidence that you have collected but

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01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:18,000
the evidence that you have seen over the

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years

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01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:22,000
allows you to say that

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i think it's a combination of um the

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01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,000
historical accounts you know going back

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from hundreds if not a thousand years in

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some locations uh not just in the u.s to

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outside of the united states um the uh

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obviously you've got the footprints you

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know and you've got

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a great number of sightings but you also

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01:35:42,470 --> 01:35:39,920
have some hair samples that come out

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01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:42,480
have been analyzed and were uh as

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primate but unknown primates so

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to me i think it's a combination of all

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01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:48,719
the evidence put together but i think

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you know because every culture

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i mean every native american

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tribe in north america almost has a long

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oral history of uh the species and um

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and then you go across

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into uh russia and siberia and the yeti

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and the pontiff and they'll have the

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same stories and they all have the same

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01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:08,880
physical attributes and

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01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,520
similar behavior and all that so i think

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01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,760
it's a big big everything put together

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01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,159
to me makes a pretty solid case that we

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01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,560
have you know an unknown bipedal uh

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01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,520
hominin walking around rahmanid

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01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,600
what is it that uh

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01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:25,760
bigfoot researchers are doing wrong

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01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,840
today

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01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,080
uh they're going where the sightings are

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01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,239
i think that's the most

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01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,480
because you think

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01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,560
i think to start looking at it a little

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01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:39,199
bit more from a biological standpoint uh

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01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:40,239
pick an arrow would haven't had any

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01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:41,600
sightings because

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01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:43,199
i to me personally i think where we're

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01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:45,760
having sightings is where uh where we go

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01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:47,679
right so if we if we've been there once

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01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:49,760
we've been there prior to that

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01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,480
and um if we've been there that many

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01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,480
times this is not where bigfoot's where

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01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:56,000
the species lives that's not where they

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01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:57,199
reproduce that's not where they get the

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01:37:01,750 --> 01:37:00,000
water and their food because there's man

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01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,760
i think it's just those are just uh the

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01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,360
sightings that just

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01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:06,400
just happen to be we just it's

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01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,679
it's luck we just happen to be at the

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01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,520
same place they're at at that particular

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01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,600
time i think we need to go much deeper

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01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,920
in the forest and uh not just in the u.s

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01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:16,159
though but in siberia and in russia as

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01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:17,040
well

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01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,159
and think of it a little more

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01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,960
biologically in terms what makes sense

2478
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:22,800
where would such a species be able to

2479
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:24,719
live in a large group and be able to

2480
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,000
reproduce so they can carry on you know

2481
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:29,760
their genetic stock

2482
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,280
now three years ago you went on a

2483
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,280
bigfoot expedition you did it with rick

2484
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:37,840
senate you did it with steve murillo

2485
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,600
and uh

2486
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:42,000
a camera person i don't i don't recall

2487
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:45,520
the name but so you went up and oddly

2488
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:46,400
enough

2489
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:47,600
uh

2490
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:49,360
you guys not only

2491
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,520
collected some pretty amazing evidence

2492
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:52,560
up there

2493
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,360
but we used it on our tv show uh uh for

2494
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,760
the history channel the unexplained

2495
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,800
and

2496
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:02,880
that happened right when we were in the

2497
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,400
middle of taping the show and the

2498
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:06,560
evidence came rolling in

2499
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,480
uh but

2500
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,960
that was also very close to e-city

2501
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:12,480
wasn't it

2502
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,320
oh absolutely yeah it's a little just a

2503
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:16,639
few miles from there really and what

2504
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,600
drew you guys to that area

2505
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,000
well i've been kind of picking out areas

2506
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:24,000
that was accessible within four days

2507
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:25,440
right because we only had basically four

2508
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:27,040
we could afford four days essentially

2509
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,560
out in the field

2510
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,520
and uh i knew that that time of year

2511
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:33,280
there was an increase in sightings in in

2512
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,800
that area so i didn't think like the

2513
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:36,159
species actually lived in the area i

2514
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,840
just think that they wonder

2515
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,840
that it's part of their uh range for

2516
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,760
whatever reason and for whatever reason

2517
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:43,920
in that time of year in that specific

2518
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,480
area is where people tend to see them

2519
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,639
and combined with the fact that not a

2520
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:50,719
lot of people go there

2521
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,280
i thought it was a pretty uh it was

2522
01:38:56,790 --> 01:38:55,679
beyond chance

2523
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,800
in terms of the amount of sightings that

2524
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:58,480
they had so if we were going to go

2525
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,520
somewhere

2526
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:01,440
for four days again we had to go

2527
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,719
somewhere with the hat sightings i know

2528
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,159
i'm contradicting myself i'm saying

2529
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,840
earlier yes

2530
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,760
and you know but we didn't have a choice

2531
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:09,440
so that was why i picked that particular

2532
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:10,880
place now

2533
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:13,360
uh you had already

2534
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,239
had a genuine interest in big bigfoot

2535
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:17,520
before

2536
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,520
this pretty amazing expedition that you

2537
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:20,960
guys went on

2538
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,000
uh what was your take on bigfoot before

2539
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:27,119
that expedition and and then after how

2540
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:28,960
did you change

2541
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,520
it didn't my it didn't change my my view

2542
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:33,360
but at all

2543
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,320
so it just solidified

2544
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,920
yeah i mean obviously once you find

2545
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:39,440
prince yourself

2546
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:41,040
it's still a different deal you know

2547
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:43,199
once you see it no no matter how much

2548
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:44,880
you thought it was true beforehand it

2549
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,440
definitely reinforces your belief system

2550
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:49,920
and it's something you can tangibly see

2551
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:51,679
and so yeah it changes your perspective

2552
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:54,159
in terms of

2553
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:56,080
just from an emotion standpoint but in

2554
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,600
terms of like just from evidence

2555
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:58,960
standpoint it didn't change anything for

2556
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:59,760
me

2557
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,800
and

2558
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,199
let's let's talk about the popularity of

2559
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,199
bigfoot on television

2560
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:07,840
is that helping uh push

2561
01:40:13,109 --> 01:40:10,880
this bigfoot uh phenomenon

2562
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,119
forward

2563
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,119
it is i think a certain extent i think

2564
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,679
it is because it gives you

2565
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:19,360
more opportunities to you know talk

2566
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:22,480
about it and maybe create opportunities

2567
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,040
to go out there and get some funding but

2568
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,199
on the other hand you know it hurts it

2569
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,199
because

2570
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,520
you know so much of that is crap to be

2571
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:34,080
honest you know it's not real research

2572
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:35,199
you know they go to areas where

2573
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,560
obviously

2574
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,320
bigfoot sightings didn't happen in some

2575
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,000
of these shows so

2576
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,719
it hurts the credibility on one hand but

2577
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,719
you know it's it's it's that line that

2578
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:46,639
we all have to come to walk through in

2579
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,800
this in this field you know between

2580
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,600
credibility and getting enough attention

2581
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:53,040
so we're able to actually go out and do

2582
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:54,159
work

2583
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:55,920
so let's see that's a mixed bag

2584
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:56,639
so

2585
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,679
okay

2586
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,719
and then

2587
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,119
we we have uh we have a problem here and

2588
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:03,600
it's the same thing with ufos or oak

2589
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:05,119
island but

2590
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,199
uh when you when you have a bigfoot show

2591
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:12,000
i already know the ending

2592
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,840
right well i can tell you what's not

2593
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,199
going to happen on the bigfoot show

2594
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,360
there's not going to be a big reveal

2595
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,239
right and

2596
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:22,000
are we putting too much i'm talking

2597
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:24,560
about the community out there uh putting

2598
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:27,360
too much into the hopes that

2599
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,119
the bigfoot phenomenon that reality is

2600
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:33,119
going to be revealed on network

2601
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:34,400
television

2602
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,199
right

2603
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,920
yeah it wouldn't would it it would it

2604
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,560
would be done in a scientific context

2605
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,880
and in a white paper

2606
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:45,040
through a pretty significant press

2607
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:46,880
conference it's not going to be held

2608
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,560
back for an edited episodic uh

2609
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:53,119
television series

2610
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:54,719
yeah absolutely it's not that's not the

2611
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,679
way

2612
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:57,119
now it works and these days it's too

2613
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,480
hard to keep that secret you know if you

2614
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,320
have a tv crew and you filmed bigfoot's

2615
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:02,639
five feet from you

2616
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,760
you know you're probably gonna have a

2617
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,760
press conference at some point so yeah

2618
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:07,280
agreed

2619
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,040
and that's not the point of those shows

2620
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,199
right right it's in fact the point is

2621
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:12,719
not to find stuff because if you find

2622
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,760
something you don't have you don't have

2623
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:15,280
you know your next season

2624
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:16,080
so

2625
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:17,920
you got to keep people wanting it's like

2626
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,719
vegas you know if you win it's not good

2627
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,239
you want to lose the house wants you to

2628
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:24,320
lose so

2629
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,480
um but that see it seems like uh that's

2630
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:30,719
all we have got we we haven't had any

2631
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:33,199
bones or any bodies or

2632
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:34,880
of certainly that would end the bigfoot

2633
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,480
question but

2634
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,600
would this suggest something more

2635
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,159
uh paranormal or supernatural about

2636
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:44,639
bigfoot that it just may not even be a

2637
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,119
physical being

2638
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:48,639
i don't yeah i don't really buy that at

2639
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,920
all first of all i think we do have the

2640
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:51,280
bones in the bodies but we just don't

2641
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,400
know that we have the bones and the

2642
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:55,040
bodies just think about it right

2643
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:56,639
there's no such thing as bigfoot

2644
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:59,520
officially so if you find any anomalous

2645
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:01,040
bones

2646
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:01,920
you know

2647
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:04,239
dating from from now till let's say four

2648
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,840
million years ago right you found

2649
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:07,920
anomalous bones here

2650
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:10,400
in africa anywhere you're going to group

2651
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,679
them with something that you already

2652
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,280
know exists now that we're going to come

2653
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,840
back as ancestor to bigfoot or current

2654
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,239
bigfoot um

2655
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:19,920
so honestly i think the bones and the

2656
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,600
bodies there i really do i just think

2657
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:23,280
we've just been naming them something

2658
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,239
else well so i don't and here's the

2659
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,440
thing with the paranormal thing i don't

2660
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,960
think there's a need to bring

2661
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,960
that into it and i get it and i get into

2662
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:32,560
some of those sightings here in the us

2663
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:33,679
you know that report paranormal

2664
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,360
phenomena or you know ufo open another

2665
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,040
bigfoot and i'm open to looking to him i

2666
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,040
really am but

2667
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,119
it's only here in the united states we

2668
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,760
don't get those type of um

2669
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:45,280
paranormal modalities when it comes to

2670
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:46,320
bigfoot

2671
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:49,600
in the rest of the world in asia or

2672
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:50,840
russia for

2673
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:54,960
example but this is okay

2674
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:57,760
but they just seem to disappear

2675
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,880
in that how how can a large you know

2676
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:03,360
seven foot six foot seven foot four

2677
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:05,360
hundred pound

2678
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:08,400
being just disappear

2679
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:10,639
that's that's what the fascinating part

2680
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,159
for me is

2681
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,800
we can it seems that

2682
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:17,679
we can track any large uh

2683
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:20,560
creature and find them uh even in the

2684
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,280
depths of the oceans but with with

2685
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,320
bigfoot it seems to appear

2686
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,440
and disappear and that i don't have an

2687
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,440
answer for

2688
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,719
yeah i mean i think i don't know i don't

2689
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,800
really i think the disappearing data

2690
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,480
where people say disappears before their

2691
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:39,119
eyes is pretty small compared to

2692
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,880
they're just a number of sightings

2693
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,159
worldwide

2694
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:44,080
of you know of what looks like a you

2695
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,719
know

2696
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:47,119
a bipedal hominid here's the thing

2697
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:48,400
though i mean

2698
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,159
we've never sure like we've we've

2699
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,159
haunted a plethora of different types of

2700
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,239
animals right in our history but we've

2701
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:56,320
never actually gone out

2702
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,000
and tried to find the hunted something

2703
01:45:01,750 --> 01:45:00,080
that's bipedal that's something

2704
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:01,760
we're not elements in the forest they

2705
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:03,600
are they know how to move through it

2706
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,440
they know how to escape they'll

2707
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,840
to be honest part b's in the

2708
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:09,920
find bigfoot is because

2709
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,560
they make so much noise we smell like

2710
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:14,320
soap where i mean this thing can pick us

2711
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,840
out from a mile away you know so it's

2712
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:17,760
really hard to approach

2713
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,880
and

2714
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:20,239
like i said i'm willing to look into

2715
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,760
them but i think to be honest it's such

2716
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,000
a small small percentage of the data

2717
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:27,119
that we've accumulated that

2718
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:28,159
it

2719
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:36,080
from an evolutionary standpoint and from

2720
01:45:40,229 --> 01:45:38,159
the biology standpoint

2721
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,239
first it makes a lot more sense because

2722
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,560
we know an animal or species like

2723
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:44,400
bigfoot is possible because it exists

2724
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:45,920
they already exist in a fossil record we

2725
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:48,560
already have species that have primitive

2726
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:49,840
characteristics and modern

2727
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:51,280
characteristics

2728
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,639
we know

2729
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,480
that there was a giant ape in dragon

2730
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,800
topicus we know that there was a hairy

2731
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:58,400
bipedal primitive

2732
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:00,639
uh hominin related to man in the past

2733
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:02,960
from homo erectus to homeowner lady that

2734
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:05,199
coexisted with modern man so we know

2735
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:06,320
there's already something there for us

2736
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:07,600
to start with

2737
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:10,080
so my belief is you start

2738
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:11,600
at the beginning you suffer what you

2739
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,679
know and what you can prove and if you

2740
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:15,920
know parallel modalities find their way

2741
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:18,400
into your story as it goes on that's

2742
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:20,080
fine then you deal with it

2743
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:20,800
but

2744
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:21,840
i don't think that's where we should

2745
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:23,920
start from we're not there yet

2746
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,199
so you're suggesting which and i as i

2747
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,960
listened to you i was

2748
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:30,719
visualizing this

2749
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:33,679
that because of where they live and who

2750
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:35,119
we are

2751
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,600
they can absolutely stay

2752
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:40,560
miles away from us they

2753
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:42,960
if if they want to stay

2754
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:46,400
undiscovered they can and they will

2755
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,679
i think to a certain extent but if

2756
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:51,440
i don't think we've we haven't surprised

2757
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,119
them either though you know i think most

2758
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:55,280
again we've we haven't had a whole lot

2759
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,280
of full-fledged expeditions

2760
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:58,800
that have gone really really deep in the

2761
01:47:02,070 --> 01:47:00,080
forest where

2762
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,080
we think they may live and

2763
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:04,560
spend enough time there and spend enough

2764
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:07,199
money there to be able to stay there so

2765
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,960
i you know i don't think honestly we

2766
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:10,800
haven't had most of these expeditions or

2767
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:12,080
weekend deal right we go off and we can

2768
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:13,679
for two three four days

2769
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,600
but i mean we got crazy lucky with

2770
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:18,080
getting track where we went but in

2771
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,360
reality we haven't been really haven't

2772
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:21,600
been doing it right

2773
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:24,960
what what about uh the patterson film

2774
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:28,480
um it's been my belief uh

2775
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:31,520
that if the ufo community had a piece of

2776
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:33,920
footage like the patterson film

2777
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:36,639
it would be ufo case closed too as well

2778
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:39,520
what do you think of the patterson film

2779
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:42,880
i think it's and i've met bob uh gamelan

2780
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,280
so and i've talked to him a couple times

2781
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:47,520
i'm 99 sure it's real

2782
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:49,520
uh first of all despite what a lot of

2783
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:50,719
people have heard in the media no one

2784
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:52,159
has actually come forward and proved

2785
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:53,600
that they were the person in the suit

2786
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:56,000
there's been seven claims of that

2787
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:56,960
um

2788
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:59,679
second you know like so i got to take a

2789
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:01,520
look at the second generation copy right

2790
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:03,040
and as a guy that was trained in

2791
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,400
anthropology

2792
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:06,239
i know what to look for in terms of

2793
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,239
movement and the high turns his head and

2794
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,920
all that everyone's heard

2795
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:12,080
you know i've heard all that before so

2796
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:13,840
i couldn't find anything wrong with it

2797
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:15,520
whatsoever from strictly from a

2798
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,639
biological uh standpoint the only thing

2799
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:20,880
that bugs me just a little bit

2800
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:23,040
is that uh roger patterson beforehand

2801
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:24,800
had a drawing

2802
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:27,440
uh in his book that looked a whole lot

2803
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:28,800
like the uh

2804
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,800
you know the the patterson

2805
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,360
film uh animal verse dominant whatever

2806
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:35,119
you want to call it right and you know

2807
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,800
and that's the only thing to me that

2808
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,880
kind of bugs me just a little bit and

2809
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:40,239
and if they hoaxed it and i don't think

2810
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:41,360
they did because i don't see how that

2811
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,199
could have been done in in within that

2812
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:45,440
time period uh bob certainly was unaware

2813
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:46,960
of it

2814
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:52,629
every time i look at the patterson film

2815
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:56,480
and i think about 1969

2816
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,199
68 67 1970 71 you know that time

2817
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:04,880
i think of planet of the apes and i know

2818
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:07,360
that hollywood did the best that they

2819
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,480
could right and the patterson film is

2820
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,639
not planet of the apes

2821
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,159
so how could he have pulled that off

2822
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,639
when hollywood couldn't

2823
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,560
yeah i mean it's hard i don't see

2824
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:20,400
from it i mean

2825
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:21,520
yeah i just don't say that i could be

2826
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,679
done and first of all i mean back then

2827
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:25,760
you have to think of like um that area

2828
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,280
in 1967 was way deep in the woods if

2829
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,960
you're going to have a guy in a snoot

2830
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,320
somewhere you're going to find an easier

2831
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:34,080
place to do it you know right first of

2832
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:35,119
all it's just

2833
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,400
and it's the same thing it's my same

2834
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:38,719
argument with like so

2835
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,000
it's still like me on my tracks and

2836
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:41,520
stuff it's exciting and stuff but again

2837
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,880
for me it's not hard evidence because

2838
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:44,239
it's it's just to show off something

2839
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,920
that may or may not have been there but

2840
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:47,760
when you start finding traces

2841
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,639
of tracks in like

2842
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,119
in jungles in the world where nobody's

2843
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:55,199
ever gone before or you know i

2844
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,880
deep in the force and the power in the

2845
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,880
himalayas or even you know deep in

2846
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,320
alaska

2847
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:02,159
you'd have to assume that

2848
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:03,760
you know someone had hiked out for a

2849
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,960
week

2850
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,719
to place them there as a hoax you know

2851
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,639
it's it starts uh

2852
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:10,400
it starts to fall apart a little bit

2853
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,679
not to mention though and that kind of

2854
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,520
goes back to your prior question but uh

2855
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:15,679
why evidence i think is

2856
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,239
is uh is great is that it would almost

2857
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:19,920
take a worldwide

2858
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,639
like

2859
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:22,239
well-funded

2860
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:24,080
group to pull off the entire bigfoot

2861
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:26,000
hoax every year if you include the

2862
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,719
number of sightings and footprints and

2863
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,320
people you know

2864
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:31,440
and encounters that people have

2865
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,320
worldwide it'd be it's almost like it's

2866
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:36,320
it'll be it'll be like taking you know

2867
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:37,600
the moon hoax

2868
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,760
painting you know yeah yeah i agree with

2869
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,440
you all right right something's been

2870
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,880
going on and it's a you know group

2871
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:44,719
that's been doing this for generations

2872
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:46,000
and generations

2873
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,320
our guest tonight is alex miss strata

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paranormal supernatural ufo

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community we'll be right back stay with

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your jimmy church i guess tonight alex

2980
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does a little bit of everything

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uh swing this thing around the ghosts

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all right yeah

2988
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okay

2989
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what what was

2990
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you mentioned uh when you were 12 years

2991
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old uh in in the uk that's one thing but

2992
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on the professional side what was your

2993
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:28,960
first uh

2994
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:36,550
it was after college so it had to be i

2995
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:40,639
graduated 97 so something like 1998 1999

2996
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:42,480
so i came back to los angeles and i kind

2997
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:44,960
of joined this you know this amateur uh

2998
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uh ghost group i forgot how i met uh one

2999
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:49,119
of the guys

3000
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:50,320
and um

3001
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:52,080
we went out on you know a few cases

3002
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:53,280
nothing happened it's not like on

3003
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:54,960
television most of the time you just end

3004
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:57,520
up sitting in the dark you know and um

3005
01:57:01,189 --> 01:57:00,080
at one point though uh the emf meter is

3006
01:57:02,070 --> 01:57:01,199
kind of starting you know moving a

3007
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:02,080
little bit

3008
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:05,199
and uh so i went forward and

3009
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:07,119
into this uh kind of like this laundry

3010
01:57:11,350 --> 01:57:09,199
room under one building and something

3011
01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,360
hit me on the ear and i didn't think

3012
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:13,360
anything of it but when somebody took a

3013
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,719
picture at the time when the picture

3014
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,880
developed uh it showed there's like this

3015
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:18,960
like this ball not normal because most

3016
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:21,440
orbs are or uh you know water moisture

3017
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:22,480
or

3018
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:24,239
dust particles but it's just like a

3019
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:25,760
solid green light that just kind of

3020
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:27,040
happened to hit me

3021
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:29,520
on the uh on the ear

3022
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:31,760
so that was kind of like the first one

3023
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:33,520
that i went on you know after after

3024
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:34,719
school

3025
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:38,719
now here we go we're in the same mode as

3026
01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:41,199
we are with bigfoot and ufos and and

3027
01:57:45,669 --> 01:57:42,960
network television

3028
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:45,679
uh there are probably more ghost hunter

3029
01:57:51,669 --> 01:57:49,280
shows uh on television than

3030
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:51,679
march madness basketball games it's

3031
01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:54,719
pretty crazy what where we are at today

3032
01:57:56,790 --> 01:57:56,000
uh with us

3033
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:56,800
uh

3034
01:58:01,510 --> 01:57:59,599
is that a good thing

3035
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:01,520
um no

3036
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:03,040
in the beginning i thought it was but

3037
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:04,880
they've gotten so out of control most of

3038
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:08,159
these guys and uh are act

3039
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:09,920
uh investigators that you get cast for a

3040
01:58:17,189 --> 01:58:15,350
it's all you know it's all set up i know

3041
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:17,199
because i've been at a few meetings for

3042
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:19,760
a handful of shows and this everything

3043
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:25,350
this guy it's gotta be complete

3044
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:26,080
now

3045
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:27,679
at this point if you don't scream demon

3046
01:58:31,350 --> 01:58:29,760
and wear a tight shirt and

3047
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:31,360
scream at air and trip

3048
01:58:35,830 --> 01:58:33,520
run around you know you don't really get

3049
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:35,840
to have a good show so it's gone far

3050
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:36,800
beyond

3051
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:38,480
what it originally intended to be i

3052
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:39,360
think

3053
01:58:43,990 --> 01:58:41,679
why is it and i need you to move around

3054
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:44,000
and get your bars back as i ask this

3055
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:45,119
question

3056
01:58:47,669 --> 01:58:46,239
uh

3057
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:47,679
why

3058
01:58:55,669 --> 01:58:52,159
uh

3059
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:55,679
this this phenomenon it's it's out there

3060
01:59:01,030 --> 01:58:58,639
with so much guesswork as to

3061
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:01,040
what is going on right are these are

3062
01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:03,599
these you know are they are they ghosts

3063
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:05,920
are they entities are they demons

3064
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:08,960
are they spirits are they dead are they

3065
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:10,080
trapped

3066
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:13,280
in between one reality and another is it

3067
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:15,440
interdimensional

3068
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:17,840
we don't know do we

3069
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:19,599
no i think there's a lot of different

3070
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:21,440
modalities in place i don't think the

3071
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:23,040
source is the same for all the events

3072
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,400
that you investigate

3073
01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:26,639
um the problem is it's this is you have

3074
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,960
to sit around when nothing happens for

3075
01:59:32,470 --> 01:59:30,560
you know 24 hours

3076
01:59:37,270 --> 01:59:32,480
for

3077
01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:37,280
shadow you know it's

3078
01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:39,119
it doesn't lend itself very well to

3079
01:59:42,870 --> 01:59:41,280
television or research because it's such

3080
01:59:44,870 --> 01:59:42,880
a rare phenomena

3081
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:44,880
now i think you could increase your odds

3082
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:47,280
by going to very specific places where

3083
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:49,440
the phenomenon seems to be fairly

3084
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,960
consistent

3085
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:52,080
but

3086
01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:54,080
uh the problem is why would you do that

3087
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:55,760
when you can just kind of fake it and

3088
02:00:00,070 --> 01:59:58,400
you know and exaggerate events for for

3089
02:00:02,790 --> 02:00:00,080
television so

3090
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:02,800
that's kind of where the problem lies

3091
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:05,280
is there okay let's let's talk about the

3092
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:07,760
investigators that are out there who

3093
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:10,719
out of the investigation teams uh out

3094
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:13,760
there who gets an a on the report card

3095
02:00:16,950 --> 02:00:15,599
uh the best in the field is and i know

3096
02:00:19,109 --> 02:00:16,960
i'm cheating with a friend of mine would

3097
02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:19,119
be dr barry taft

3098
02:00:22,790 --> 02:00:20,960
he's one of the only one of the phd that

3099
02:00:24,229 --> 02:00:22,800
i'm aware of and he's been doing work

3100
02:00:26,310 --> 02:00:24,239
for 40 years

3101
02:00:27,510 --> 02:00:26,320
so that would be the guy it's a guy who

3102
02:00:28,470 --> 02:00:27,520
i've worked with for a number of years

3103
02:00:29,589 --> 02:00:28,480
so i know that's a little bit of

3104
02:00:32,950 --> 02:00:29,599
cheating

3105
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:34,229
that would be yeah that would be for me

3106
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:36,320
the go-to guy there's a group out of

3107
02:00:39,910 --> 02:00:38,560
oregon um

3108
02:00:42,310 --> 02:00:39,920
i'm drawing a complete blank on their

3109
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:47,030
yeah do it there

3110
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:48,550
oh man everyone forgetting their names

3111
02:00:52,709 --> 02:00:50,880
but they're good okay we just completely

3112
02:00:54,149 --> 02:00:52,719
completely dropped out there

3113
02:00:55,750 --> 02:00:54,159
um all right let me move back to my

3114
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:55,760
original spot can you hear me now okay

3115
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:57,040
yeah i've got you

3116
02:01:01,750 --> 02:00:59,520
um the group in oregon uh what was their

3117
02:01:04,870 --> 02:01:01,760
name

3118
02:01:08,950 --> 02:01:04,880
uh the league of extra sensory gentlemen

3119
02:01:11,270 --> 02:01:08,960
i believe oh yes yes yeah they're great

3120
02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:11,280
yeah you know some of us you know

3121
02:01:13,589 --> 02:01:12,400
i've talked to some of them here and

3122
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:13,599
there on facebook and all that and i've

3123
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:15,040
been invited one of them on my bigfoot

3124
02:01:18,550 --> 02:01:16,480
trip a few years ago and couldn't make

3125
02:01:20,310 --> 02:01:18,560
it they really do excellent work you

3126
02:01:22,709 --> 02:01:20,320
know they're probably the one group i

3127
02:01:24,310 --> 02:01:22,719
would recommend from the go side varies

3128
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:24,320
more from the poltergeist side and

3129
02:01:27,430 --> 02:01:25,760
there's a difference

3130
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:27,440
and those would be my two if i would

3131
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,800
make a documentary this would be my two

3132
02:01:31,270 --> 02:01:30,400
go-to uh

3133
02:01:33,430 --> 02:01:31,280
teams

3134
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:33,440
yeah most people don't uh realize that

3135
02:01:38,870 --> 02:01:37,440
barry taff was the entity

3136
02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:38,880
correct one in fact one of the

3137
02:01:42,709 --> 02:01:40,800
characters in the film is based on barry

3138
02:01:43,430 --> 02:01:42,719
he was that was his case

3139
02:01:45,750 --> 02:01:43,440
now

3140
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:45,760
you just said something i wanna i don't

3141
02:01:49,589 --> 02:01:47,840
want this to get away from us did i hear

3142
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:49,599
you say that you've been

3143
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:51,599
at production meetings

3144
02:01:55,589 --> 02:01:54,800
for some of these ghost hunting shows

3145
02:01:58,629 --> 02:01:55,599
and

3146
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:58,639
some of it it was staged

3147
02:02:01,830 --> 02:02:00,639
uh 100 absolutely

3148
02:02:02,870 --> 02:02:01,840
and

3149
02:02:07,350 --> 02:02:02,880
you

3150
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:07,360
loudest about all of this

3151
02:02:11,669 --> 02:02:09,280
did you did you stand up in the meeting

3152
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:11,679
and say something

3153
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:13,360
uh no i just refused i said this is not

3154
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,800
for me and i refuse to take part in the

3155
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:16,800
shows oh which really sucks those are

3156
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:18,400
the ones that are paid

3157
02:02:21,430 --> 02:02:19,760
you know those are paid gigs that you

3158
02:02:23,189 --> 02:02:21,440
know turned down but

3159
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:23,199
that's kind of part of the deal like

3160
02:02:26,790 --> 02:02:24,960
they thought what they do is they'll

3161
02:02:28,229 --> 02:02:26,800
like for me obviously you know i'm a

3162
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:28,239
real investigator so they knew who i was

3163
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:29,760
so they would they would have me and

3164
02:02:34,070 --> 02:02:32,480
they would cast around me so everybody

3165
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:34,080
else would be an actor pretending to be

3166
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:35,520
on my team i've had that you know

3167
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:38,560
offered to me a couple times

3168
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:40,480
and

3169
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:47,280
right um your set of photographs of uh

3170
02:02:52,229 --> 02:02:50,639
the forest with the girl in them

3171
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:52,239
uh

3172
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:54,159
i'm gonna i'm gonna post them up here in

3173
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:57,440
a second right uh take everybody through

3174
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:58,480
uh

3175
02:03:01,830 --> 02:03:00,400
those photographs and what happened that

3176
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:01,840
day

3177
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:04,560
it was around 2001. i was in britain

3178
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:08,159
brittany and france i was out

3179
02:03:11,430 --> 02:03:10,000
doing some research on the holy grail

3180
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:11,440
which was a chapter initially i was

3181
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:13,440
going to have in my book and it got way

3182
02:03:16,229 --> 02:03:15,360
too complicated and i kind of went away

3183
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:16,239
from that

3184
02:03:20,629 --> 02:03:19,040
but um so i was going to area where it

3185
02:03:23,430 --> 02:03:20,639
had a lot of lore

3186
02:03:25,350 --> 02:03:23,440
arthurian lore and holy grail behind it

3187
02:03:27,030 --> 02:03:25,360
even though it was in france right and

3188
02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:27,040
there's this one area where it's called

3189
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,280
the lake of the ferries and the lore

3190
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:31,360
behind it was that there was you know

3191
02:03:34,709 --> 02:03:32,639
ferries you know back in the day and

3192
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:34,719
people would disappear in the area and

3193
02:03:38,149 --> 02:03:35,840
all that so i thought it'd be a good

3194
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:38,159
spot just to go for a hike and take a

3195
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:39,440
lot of you know cover pictures that i

3196
02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:40,960
could have in my book or whatever i

3197
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:42,239
never really you know thought i would

3198
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:43,280
really

3199
02:03:46,390 --> 02:03:44,480
see anything

3200
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:46,400
so uh for those i don't know i was born

3201
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:47,920
in france i grew up here in los angeles

3202
02:03:52,310 --> 02:03:49,920
but my mom is french and she lives in

3203
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:52,320
france she's remarried with a

3204
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:53,199
um

3205
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:54,960
a fantastic individual named jerome and

3206
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:56,880
they were along with us

3207
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:59,119
and so we went for a walk 20 minutes in

3208
02:04:02,950 --> 02:04:01,040
and this was this is you know it's

3209
02:04:08,149 --> 02:04:02,960
fairly remote it comes from come from

3210
02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:12,149
there's one path in and out

3211
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:14,070
it's kind of like a fourth structure on

3212
02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:16,239
the left-hand side which uh

3213
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:17,920
just old wood you know that probably was

3214
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:19,520
dating hundreds of years

3215
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:21,199
and we decided to stop the area for a

3216
02:04:24,229 --> 02:04:22,159
break

3217
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:24,239
we stayed there for about 20 minutes and

3218
02:04:28,709 --> 02:04:25,679
started taking pictures of everything

3219
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:28,719
which was the habit that i had i had

3220
02:04:31,990 --> 02:04:30,639
my theory is that take as many pictures

3221
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:32,000
as possible and hope something you know

3222
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:33,840
shows up in one of them which has worked

3223
02:04:37,430 --> 02:04:36,159
out pretty well for me to be honest

3224
02:04:40,149 --> 02:04:37,440
so we went through an entire roll of

3225
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:40,159
film uh which was 35 pictures in this

3226
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:41,920
one area we saw absolutely nothing i

3227
02:04:45,430 --> 02:04:43,119
know there's nobody there because

3228
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:45,440
there's one way in and one way out

3229
02:04:50,709 --> 02:04:48,880
and uh we were there and uh

3230
02:04:52,229 --> 02:04:50,719
i didn't think much of it we went on i

3231
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:52,239
didn't see anything no one saw anything

3232
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:53,520
and a month later we developed the

3233
02:04:57,910 --> 02:04:56,719
pictures and in one frame one frame only

3234
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:57,920
even though we had pictures multiple

3235
02:05:01,750 --> 02:05:00,239
pictures of the same area this one girl

3236
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:01,760
or ghost or whatever you want to call it

3237
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:03,360
appeared in the picture and it was just

3238
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:06,159
as clear as a regular person

3239
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,639
yeah i'm looking at the uh the image

3240
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:09,840
here

3241
02:05:13,750 --> 02:05:10,800
um

3242
02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:13,760
how i've posted it up on twitter uh your

3243
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:15,360
original tweet

3244
02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:17,599
now it because i know the background of

3245
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:19,840
this this image and you just described

3246
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:21,440
uh that day

3247
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:24,639
it turns out to be a a pretty creepy

3248
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:26,000
you know

3249
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:27,440
photograph

3250
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:29,599
and especially her pose and she's

3251
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:32,320
definitely photobombing right she's

3252
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:33,599
clear as day

3253
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:36,000
and she's showing her face um

3254
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:39,040
how far away would she have been from

3255
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:42,080
you and and see this is the thing

3256
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:44,639
you took the picture in that direction

3257
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:46,480
so you would have seen her in the frame

3258
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:49,280
when you took the picture

3259
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:50,560
well not only that there's nowhere for

3260
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:52,880
her to go there's a cliff behind her and

3261
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:55,040
it's just it's just a little uh stream

3262
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,560
on one of the sides and then the rest is

3263
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:58,320
just for us there'd been nowhere for her

3264
02:06:01,910 --> 02:05:59,840
to go especially for us been sitting

3265
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:01,920
there for 20 minutes already you know

3266
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:04,239
like i said there's only one path so

3267
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:06,000
yeah there's i mean i can't think of any

3268
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:07,599
possible way but we would not have seen

3269
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:09,119
her

3270
02:06:14,070 --> 02:06:12,000
so who is she what is she

3271
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,080
honestly i have no idea whatsoever all i

3272
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:16,400
can say is i took a picture and there's

3273
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:18,560
a girl in it that doesn't exist or not

3274
02:06:22,790 --> 02:06:20,320
supposed to be there i have absolutely

3275
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,800
no theory no idea

3276
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:25,520
you know and the problem is maybe if

3277
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,440
i develop that pictures on the spot and

3278
02:06:30,629 --> 02:06:29,520
you know or i would use digital and

3279
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:30,639
gotten the picture right away i could

3280
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:32,000
have done a little more background

3281
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:34,000
research into the area you know in terms

3282
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:35,760
of people disappearing or what some of

3283
02:06:40,229 --> 02:06:38,880
the stories are but i had no idea

3284
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:40,239
i was you know i was back in paris by

3285
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:41,760
the time i got the picture and then back

3286
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:44,800
on to uh los angeles so i be honest

3287
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:47,199
answers i have no idea whatsoever now

3288
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:49,199
why haven't we

3289
02:06:52,709 --> 02:06:50,800
gotten the

3290
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:52,719
lots of cool footage out there i'm not

3291
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:55,440
going to dismiss that right lots of

3292
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:57,520
poltergeists and moving objects and

3293
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:00,400
we've captured but why haven't we

3294
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:02,880
gotten the definitive

3295
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:05,840
piece of ghost footage

3296
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:07,760
i don't think our cameras are capable of

3297
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,199
capturing

3298
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:10,880
whatever part of the spectrum they

3299
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:12,560
appear in

3300
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:14,320
i think there is a way around that

3301
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:15,599
though

3302
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,679
and so i was discussing this with uh

3303
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:19,599
this past weekend with a couple of

3304
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:22,400
fellow researchers jim perry uh some of

3305
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:23,599
you guys may have heard of him from a

3306
02:07:27,589 --> 02:07:25,280
hell year they mentioned him a couple of

3307
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:27,599
times and uh ryan singer and i was

3308
02:07:31,350 --> 02:07:29,679
saying that so we have a lot of evps

3309
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,360
right so though for those are not uh

3310
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:33,280
familiar it's where you get a voice

3311
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:34,800
recording

3312
02:07:38,950 --> 02:07:36,960
on you know anything from video cassette

3313
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:38,960
to a digital recorder of the voice that

3314
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,719
wasn't there

3315
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:43,199
so because the voice

3316
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:44,960
you can't ignite it's an auditory

3317
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:46,639
phenomena you can't hear it

3318
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:49,360
it somehow a lack of better magically

3319
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:52,079
appears right on your equipment so

3320
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:53,920
so it doesn't come from your immediate

3321
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:55,040
environment because you can't hear it

3322
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,719
comes from somewhere else

3323
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:58,239
so that's somewhere else it's something

3324
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,760
tangible right because something is

3325
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:01,280
producing that noise

3326
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,119
if

3327
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:05,280
you can record a voice

3328
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:07,679
and a sound from

3329
02:08:10,629 --> 02:08:09,440
whether the afterlife or another

3330
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:10,639
dimension or wherever right where

3331
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:12,159
they're coming from

3332
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:15,280
you can get a picture from that

3333
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,520
from that afterlife or dimension if you

3334
02:08:21,189 --> 02:08:19,599
can get an auditory sound you can get a

3335
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:21,199
visual from it

3336
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:22,639
and i think that's the next step in this

3337
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:24,079
field that we gotta start looking at it

3338
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:26,000
how to get the pictures of not a ghost

3339
02:08:30,149 --> 02:08:28,320
here in our world glad to get pictures

3340
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:30,159
in their world

3341
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:32,960
right right in that dimension and that

3342
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:35,520
right i think it can be done

3343
02:08:39,430 --> 02:08:37,119
well if that happens then we can

3344
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:39,440
photograph anything in another dimension

3345
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:43,040
animals absolutely bigfoot

3346
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,119
ufos

3347
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:47,280
right wouldn't all those dominoes start

3348
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:48,960
to fall

3349
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:50,639
well i would certainly open up you know

3350
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,920
different modalities in terms of how to

3351
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,360
get evidence and how to get

3352
02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:55,280
visual proof and ultimately the most

3353
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:57,040
exciting i think is like your body is

3354
02:09:01,589 --> 02:08:59,599
nice right but

3355
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:01,599
or

3356
02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:03,199
to get people interested first of all i

3357
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,800
think you need visual proof nothing

3358
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:06,800
beats a visual

3359
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:09,920
are you okay with evps

3360
02:09:13,589 --> 02:09:12,400
yeah i am i think you know look i think

3361
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:13,599
most of them especially the ones you'll

3362
02:09:17,189 --> 02:09:15,440
hear on some tv shows

3363
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:17,199
aren't really vps i think because your

3364
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:19,199
brain there's just a lot of there's just

3365
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:21,040
some noise and your brain kind of makes

3366
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:22,480
up the rest in between now your brain

3367
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:24,639
doesn't like uh

3368
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:26,400
doesn't like entropy it wants to have

3369
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,679
order and everything that you see that

3370
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,679
you're here so it'll stop missing pieces

3371
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:31,599
and that's what i i think a lot of etps

3372
02:09:37,990 --> 02:09:33,440
are just your brain

3373
02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:40,470
tells you look this says uh get out of

3374
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:41,360
here

3375
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:43,119
the next person is gonna hear get out of

3376
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:44,880
here that's how the human you know brain

3377
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:53,270
uh i apologize again everybody alex

3378
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:55,360
you're you're you're bouncing in and out

3379
02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:57,520
i haven't had this kind of uh

3380
02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:59,760
phone issue in in months and months and

3381
02:10:03,270 --> 02:10:01,840
months i don't know what the problem is

3382
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:03,280
but yeah i know what to tell you i'm

3383
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:05,920
singing the same spot so yeah yeah it's

3384
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:07,840
okay all right let's let's just get

3385
02:10:11,910 --> 02:10:09,840
through this um

3386
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:11,920
the there's another part to this when

3387
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:14,480
we're talking about evps which is you

3388
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:16,800
know guys like steve huff

3389
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:18,159
who

3390
02:10:23,990 --> 02:10:21,360
has developed a way to communicate with

3391
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:24,000
these other dimensions that seems

3392
02:10:29,189 --> 02:10:26,639
from what i have heard and some of it is

3393
02:10:32,470 --> 02:10:29,199
pretty convincing

3394
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:32,480
that there is a way to communicate with

3395
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:34,719
whatever these

3396
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,320
entities or

3397
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:38,880
or souls or whatever or whatever they

3398
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:40,719
may be

3399
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:44,480
they do communicate but i don't think

3400
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:47,040
that they understand where they are

3401
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,119
right if you if you know what i mean

3402
02:10:53,350 --> 02:10:51,440
these these beings they they seem

3403
02:10:55,510 --> 02:10:53,360
confused

3404
02:10:57,990 --> 02:10:55,520
i think that's one theory yeah correct i

3405
02:11:00,069 --> 02:10:58,000
think and i know it's because there's so

3406
02:11:01,669 --> 02:11:00,079
much in translation that gets lost

3407
02:11:03,510 --> 02:11:01,679
between us and wherever they're at you

3408
02:11:05,189 --> 02:11:03,520
know

3409
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,199
but like i said i think there's

3410
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:07,119
definitely different modalities involved

3411
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:09,360
you know and so not everything goes into

3412
02:11:12,950 --> 02:11:10,960
the ghost category i think there's there

3413
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:12,960
are other things out there or other ways

3414
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:15,440
this phenomenon manifests itself

3415
02:11:19,990 --> 02:11:17,199
and some of it i think it's even

3416
02:11:21,990 --> 02:11:20,000
self-induced but

3417
02:11:23,910 --> 02:11:22,000
now you make we create we create the

3418
02:11:26,629 --> 02:11:23,920
phenomena ourselves now you mentioned

3419
02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:26,639
something earlier uh as we

3420
02:11:30,310 --> 02:11:27,840
do you want to hang out and take some

3421
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:30,320
phone calls

3422
02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:34,079
yeah sure okay um i want to do that and

3423
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:35,840
i'm going to open up the phone lines

3424
02:11:40,069 --> 02:11:38,000
with everybody and one of the things

3425
02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:40,079
that i do want to do it's april fool's

3426
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,960
day

3427
02:11:44,950 --> 02:11:42,800
and so i

3428
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:44,960
i went through a bunch of news headlines

3429
02:11:48,149 --> 02:11:46,400
at the beginning of the show and if

3430
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:48,159
there was something that caught your eye

3431
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:49,360
today

3432
02:11:54,149 --> 02:11:52,000
uh that you took the bait on i want to

3433
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:54,159
see if i can take the bait so i do want

3434
02:12:01,430 --> 02:11:57,040
to hear those from everybody too as well

3435
02:12:04,310 --> 02:12:03,270
and i'll get everything set up

3436
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:04,320
um

3437
02:12:09,589 --> 02:12:07,920
is uh staying on this uh and then when

3438
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:09,599
we come back after the break uh we'll

3439
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:11,440
get to uh the phone calls

3440
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:15,760
um staying on this when it comes to uh

3441
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:18,400
ghost um alex

3442
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:19,599
the

3443
02:12:23,510 --> 02:12:22,480
i i want to say this in a very polite

3444
02:12:26,870 --> 02:12:23,520
way

3445
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:26,880
for you what frustrates you the most

3446
02:12:31,910 --> 02:12:29,840
because you are very vocal about the way

3447
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:31,920
that research is done

3448
02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:34,400
um what frustrates you the most when it

3449
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:41,990
uh the central don't want the sense

3450
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:44,320
like essentialism of it

3451
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:45,760
everything has to be

3452
02:12:48,709 --> 02:12:47,679
so over the top i think you know i think

3453
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:48,719
that

3454
02:12:53,189 --> 02:12:51,360
and it it's it's steered away so far

3455
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:53,199
from scientific modalities that i think

3456
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:55,520
it's not doing us any favors

3457
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:58,000
i think that's what really pisses me off

3458
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,840
but again the one thing that honestly

3459
02:13:02,790 --> 02:13:01,199
frustrates me the most all the time it's

3460
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:02,800
just a lack of money that we're not able

3461
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:04,079
to go out there

3462
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:05,599
and get proper evidence the way it

3463
02:13:09,030 --> 02:13:07,520
should be done

3464
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,040
yeah i know i keep saying that and but

3465
02:13:12,229 --> 02:13:11,360
you know it's true yeah and one of the

3466
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:12,239
uh

3467
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:14,400
i mean i i can't believe it happened as

3468
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:16,400
quick as it did

3469
02:13:21,589 --> 02:13:19,760
but once ghost adventures kicked off and

3470
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:21,599
then there was uh

3471
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:23,280
ghost hunters and ghost hunters

3472
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:25,360
international and all of these spin-off

3473
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:28,560
shows but when that kicked off it was

3474
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:31,119
like the pet rock

3475
02:13:36,629 --> 02:13:34,159
the the paranormal research groups are

3476
02:13:39,910 --> 02:13:36,639
all over this country now i mean it is

3477
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:39,920
an amazing phenomenon part of me wants

3478
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:42,960
to say yay team let's go

3479
02:13:47,109 --> 02:13:45,520
the other part of it is there are people

3480
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:47,119
out there that are

3481
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:49,440
into this subject and that's a good

3482
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,000
thing too but there's no standards right

3483
02:13:57,510 --> 02:13:54,880
there's everybody's just going out there

3484
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:57,520
and and going into a dark house and

3485
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:00,079
seeing if something will happen right

3486
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:02,320
it's like it's like you're damned if you

3487
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:05,040
do damned if you don't

3488
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:06,719
yeah there's no set of protocols in

3489
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:08,079
place for

3490
02:14:12,229 --> 02:14:09,599
well you should be an investigation that

3491
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:12,239
goes for pretty much almost any of the

3492
02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:13,840
topics we discussed tonight you know i

3493
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,880
think

3494
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:16,480
and that's kind of a problem everyone's

3495
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:19,280
just kind of free willing it or

3496
02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:20,639
so there's no and there's not a lot of

3497
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:22,639
communications between groups either you

3498
02:14:28,149 --> 02:14:24,880
know so

3499
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:28,159
well how okay so for you

3500
02:14:31,750 --> 02:14:29,040
if

3501
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:31,760
you were going to uh

3502
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:36,079
go and investigate a haunted situation

3503
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:37,840
how do you go about it do you do the

3504
02:14:41,109 --> 02:14:39,440
exact same things that everybody else is

3505
02:14:43,589 --> 02:14:41,119
doing do you go in and lock the doors

3506
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:43,599
and and hope for quiet

3507
02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:46,480
and and run cameras all night you know

3508
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:48,480
how do you go about it

3509
02:14:53,270 --> 02:14:49,920
no i wouldn't first of all i wouldn't go

3510
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:53,280
to indoor location i would focus on um

3511
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:55,040
a more open outdoor location i would go

3512
02:14:59,910 --> 02:14:57,440
to a place like um

3513
02:15:02,390 --> 02:14:59,920
i know chernobyl or the haiyo bachu

3514
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:02,400
force in romania because

3515
02:15:05,350 --> 02:15:04,000
first of all we pick a spot like those

3516
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:05,360
where you have a lot of different types

3517
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:07,280
of phenomena that happens right and

3518
02:15:10,629 --> 02:15:09,199
phenomena is pretty consistent over time

3519
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:10,639
so you get a better chance of capturing

3520
02:15:14,310 --> 02:15:11,599
something

3521
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:14,320
and i would measure

3522
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:15,760
every possible thing you could possibly

3523
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:17,840
measure from you know electromagnetism

3524
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:19,199
to

3525
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,280
radiation or whatever i would measure

3526
02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:24,000
everything but yeah at some point

3527
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:25,599
i take a one life approach you know i

3528
02:15:28,709 --> 02:15:26,880
like when these guys go out and they

3529
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:28,719
want to film a tiger right they go out

3530
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:30,000
in this environment and they let the

3531
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:32,000
environment get used to them

3532
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:33,920
they sit still

3533
02:15:39,270 --> 02:15:37,520
so i would go and hang out no running

3534
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:39,280
no running after the phenomena no you

3535
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:40,800
know just

3536
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:42,719
set up your equipment measure the

3537
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:44,560
environment but for you personally to

3538
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:46,320
experience the phenomena i always just

3539
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:47,360
hang out

3540
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:48,800
let it come to you let the environment

3541
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:50,480
get used to you being there

3542
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,639
well you did you did just that up at

3543
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,960
skinwalker how many days were you at

3544
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:56,719
skinwalker

3545
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:59,440
uh we were there for uh three days three

3546
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:00,560
four days till the three days of

3547
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:02,880
investigation yeah and one of those

3548
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:04,800
nights was here on fade to black which

3549
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:06,400
was uh pretty cool

3550
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:08,880
um you're up at skidwalker for three

3551
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:13,990
um

3552
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:16,480
that everything you've heard is real and

3553
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:17,760
more

3554
02:16:21,830 --> 02:16:20,639
we um not a single person almost pretty

3555
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:21,840
much i don't think actually single

3556
02:16:25,589 --> 02:16:24,079
person we talked to haven't experienced

3557
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,599
something in that area and it's not just

3558
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:28,159
skin walker it goes out for miles around

3559
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:30,960
and again it's one of those places that

3560
02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:32,559
it's just a whole plethora of

3561
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:34,639
experiences people have from ufos to

3562
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,359
ghosts to the you know giant coyotes or

3563
02:16:40,709 --> 02:16:39,679
walls it's everything all rolled up into

3564
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:40,719
one

3565
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:42,880
and uh but it has a real

3566
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:44,880
kind of trickster mentality to it i

3567
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:46,719
think you know it it reminded me a lot

3568
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:48,319
of like when john keel went to point

3569
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:49,679
pleasant

3570
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:50,800
where you'd get like you know he was

3571
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:52,080
getting his phone calls writing he hit

3572
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,840
his metallic noises well we got some of

3573
02:16:58,309 --> 02:16:55,840
that ourselves

3574
02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:58,319
so in a very kilian fashion it was

3575
02:17:01,990 --> 02:17:01,120
messing with us and i think that's a

3576
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,000
very

3577
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:03,840
different

3578
02:17:10,389 --> 02:17:07,599
just your standard you know ufo alien

3579
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:10,399
model or your ghost you know poster guy

3580
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:12,160
sweater paranormal model or even you

3581
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:13,760
know your bigfoot for some of the

3582
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:15,120
creatures that people report on the

3583
02:17:18,870 --> 02:17:16,960
ranch we're doing something entirely

3584
02:17:22,070 --> 02:17:18,880
different

3585
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:22,080
and what and if what what did you do can

3586
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:25,840
you share uh uh quickly before the break

3587
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:28,800
what was the one thing that did you see

3588
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:31,760
something specifically up at skinwalker

3589
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:33,439
i really saw a personality sell one

3590
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:35,359
thing it was we were so we functioned

3591
02:17:42,389 --> 02:17:36,559
overlook

3592
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:42,399
and at some point just guards there

3593
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:43,439
they're they're all nice but they keep

3594
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:44,639
all the lights

3595
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:45,920
out they don't turn your lights on you

3596
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:47,280
can see the flashlight once in a while

3597
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:48,319
but that's it

3598
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:50,240
and at one point we saw what all we saw

3599
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:51,679
was this light that came out from the

3600
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:52,639
ground

3601
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:54,240
uh it was pretty big and it shot up it

3602
02:17:58,150 --> 02:17:55,599
was about the size of a tree trunk it

3603
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:58,160
shot up in front of the tree and took

3604
02:18:02,230 --> 02:17:59,840
off and kind of disappeared when he got

3605
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:02,240
kind of above the top branches

3606
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:03,679
so from a visual standpoint that's all

3607
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:07,439
that we really saw and what color was it

3608
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:09,599
uh it was kind of color of light just

3609
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:11,840
kind of your dark yellow type of thing i

3610
02:18:16,309 --> 02:18:14,479
don't think steve science

3611
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,319
and what do you think it was that's i

3612
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,319
you didn't tell me this

3613
02:18:22,950 --> 02:18:20,479
why why am i getting this news why am i

3614
02:18:24,629 --> 02:18:22,960
getting this news live on the air

3615
02:18:26,309 --> 02:18:24,639
yeah i'm a best friend well that was

3616
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:26,319
after we called it was after we were on

3617
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,120
the phone with you so

3618
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:30,880
but um

3619
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:32,479
yeah so i couldn't have told you then

3620
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:34,319
yeah because anything was that big a

3621
02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:36,000
deal it's just it's one like that we saw

3622
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:38,559
i said sure is it weird 100

3623
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,080
i know it's not a flashlight it's too

3624
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:41,920
big and it was solid and went up it was

3625
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,519
odd but

3626
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:45,200
it to me again it goes back to evidence

3627
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:46,479
it's not sufficient evidence when you

3628
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:48,000
have something anomalous it's you know

3629
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:49,359
because it's just one thing that we saw

3630
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:55,509
our guest tonight is alex miss stretta

3631
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:57,920
it is now april fool's day we're gonna

3632
02:19:01,589 --> 02:18:59,519
take a break right here

3633
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:01,599
and when we come back after the break

3634
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:04,000
we're gonna open up the phone lines

3635
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:07,599
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3636
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:10,559
five one it's april fool's day did you

3637
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,120
get did you get taken by a story today

3638
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:14,800
like i did

3639
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:18,559
about the aurora aircraft being revealed

3640
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:20,399
today by the dod i took that one

3641
02:19:24,469 --> 02:19:22,080
hookline and sinker

3642
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:24,479
what did you get taken by today april

3643
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fools

3644
02:19:35,270 --> 02:19:31,589
747-228-2051 we'll be right back stay

3645
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[Music]

3731
02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:14,800
all right welcome back fade to black i

3732
02:24:18,230 --> 02:24:16,479
was goofing around

3733
02:24:19,990 --> 02:24:18,240
sorry about that

3734
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:20,000
all right i'm opening up the phone line

3735
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:26,469
it's april fool's day did you get taken

3736
02:24:32,309 --> 02:24:29,040
by a story today like i did

3737
02:24:34,950 --> 02:24:32,319
uh with the uh aurora hey alex did you

3738
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:34,960
uh did you get taken by that uh did you

3739
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:36,000
see the

3740
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:38,960
the press release on the uh

3741
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:44,160
uh uh i think it's the rs 85 aircraft

3742
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:45,840
oh no i didn't but that probably could

3743
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:48,160
have gotten me for a second yeah yeah it

3744
02:24:52,389 --> 02:24:50,479
got me it was well written yeah it was

3745
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:52,399
well written i i i

3746
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:55,359
i i went i started doing research

3747
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,359
right it was released by the dod they're

3748
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,200
going to put the plane on display at

3749
02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:01,680
wright patterson in the

3750
02:25:05,670 --> 02:25:04,000
in the air force museum

3751
02:25:07,270 --> 02:25:05,680
and i was like wow

3752
02:25:08,710 --> 02:25:07,280
wow this is pretty cool waiting we're

3753
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:08,720
waiting for that one right for that for

3754
02:25:13,270 --> 02:25:12,560
that actual story so yeah mach 6 right

3755
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,280
yeah

3756
02:25:19,030 --> 02:25:16,240
it had been flying i think 1993 to 2018

3757
02:25:21,190 --> 02:25:19,040
they had five airframes that were built

3758
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:21,200
and using it for reconnaissance that

3759
02:25:26,630 --> 02:25:23,840
they were manned and and

3760
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:26,640
everything was there names and quotes

3761
02:25:33,270 --> 02:25:30,720
and and as i it was so funny for me as i

3762
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:33,280
started well wait a minute

3763
02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:36,080
it's april fool's day oh

3764
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:38,960
wait wait wait wait you know when the

3765
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:40,880
funny part about all of that

3766
02:25:46,389 --> 02:25:44,160
uh for me was i i

3767
02:25:49,510 --> 02:25:46,399
i i still held on

3768
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:49,520
right i still i knew i knew it was like

3769
02:25:53,349 --> 02:25:51,920
april and i was just like no maybe maybe

3770
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:53,359
this is real

3771
02:25:58,469 --> 02:25:56,640
and so i chose obviously uh

3772
02:26:02,150 --> 02:25:58,479
not to report the story and then i was

3773
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:02,160
leaning on it was so well written

3774
02:26:05,830 --> 02:26:04,160
that maybe somebody would buy into it

3775
02:26:08,389 --> 02:26:05,840
you know and i didn't i didn't want that

3776
02:26:13,230 --> 02:26:08,399
either you know so yeah there you go all

3777
02:26:17,110 --> 02:26:15,349
747-228-2051 did you get taken by an

3778
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:17,120
april fool's story today

3779
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:20,560
i i've got a couple cases

3780
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:23,040
of fade to black coffee mugs

3781
02:26:26,790 --> 02:26:25,439
if you got taken by an april fool's

3782
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,800
story today

3783
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:29,520
uh let's see let's see what you got and

3784
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:32,319
maybe you'll get a faded black coffee

3785
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:34,240
mug let's go to the phones hi you're

3786
02:26:42,630 --> 02:26:39,510
jimmy is that you

3787
02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:42,640
no it's not

3788
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:46,800
jimmy i got taken big time today on what

3789
02:26:49,370 --> 02:26:48,720
tom brady retiring

3790
02:26:51,349 --> 02:26:49,380
oh

3791
02:26:52,630 --> 02:26:51,359
[Laughter]

3792
02:26:54,870 --> 02:26:52,640
wait a minute

3793
02:26:57,830 --> 02:26:54,880
i thought he was retiring you mean he's

3794
02:26:59,910 --> 02:26:57,840
not no man he's not i got a hook line

3795
02:27:04,230 --> 02:26:59,920
and sinker all the way down

3796
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,240
really uh who who made the announcement

3797
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:06,479
i saw it on fox news and i was like oh

3798
02:27:11,110 --> 02:27:09,359
oh tom brings retiring hell yes

3799
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:11,120
and then i looked at it and it was april

3800
02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:13,920
fools i'm like son of a gun oh

3801
02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:16,880
man and i guess uh

3802
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:18,800
the chicago bears

3803
02:27:24,870 --> 02:27:22,000
released new jerseys that uh

3804
02:27:27,429 --> 02:27:24,880
uh the new design for their team jerseys

3805
02:27:29,750 --> 02:27:27,439
and uh their uniforms

3806
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:29,760
and that wasn't too well received either

3807
02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:33,280
domos don't most people expect on april

3808
02:27:36,309 --> 02:27:34,640
fool's day

3809
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:36,319
that if the story

3810
02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:37,920
you know what i mean but

3811
02:27:45,270 --> 02:27:41,520
some will just buy into it i did

3812
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:45,280
yeah yeah you're correct so uh what's on

3813
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:47,280
your mind

3814
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:49,920
we know i i've gone over this story with

3815
02:27:54,950 --> 02:27:53,200
alex several times and uh i i we've

3816
02:27:56,710 --> 02:27:54,960
actually went on a radio station my

3817
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:56,720
father and my brother

3818
02:28:01,830 --> 02:27:58,960
to go over what we had seen in in

3819
02:28:04,309 --> 02:28:01,840
northern michigan in the huron forest

3820
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:04,319
and um man i i don't even know how to

3821
02:28:08,469 --> 02:28:06,720
explain what we had seen going over it

3822
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:08,479
and people sometimes just question it

3823
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,399
and don't believe it

3824
02:28:14,389 --> 02:28:12,960
but what we had seen this thing

3825
02:28:16,469 --> 02:28:14,399
stepped out of the road and walked

3826
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:16,479
directly towards the vehicle was i would

3827
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:19,359
say at least eight to nine feet tall

3828
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:21,760
in dreadlocks uh

3829
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:23,680
human kind of like face

3830
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:25,920
and when i first recognized it i thought

3831
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:27,520
it was a

3832
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:29,680
someone on stilts

3833
02:28:34,550 --> 02:28:32,080
and uh it terrified i mean everybody in

3834
02:28:35,990 --> 02:28:34,560
the car six of us screamed out loud the

3835
02:28:37,750 --> 02:28:36,000
minute we saw it and

3836
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:37,760
we hauled out down this timber road

3837
02:28:43,270 --> 02:28:40,000
which is a dirt road and and i won't

3838
02:28:44,710 --> 02:28:43,280
forget it as long as i live and uh

3839
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:44,720
anybody that can tell me that bigfoot

3840
02:28:47,670 --> 02:28:46,399
doesn't exist i will tell you a

3841
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:47,680
different story

3842
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:50,240
alex uh you've discussed uh say hi to

3843
02:29:01,030 --> 02:28:58,710
what do you think about uh scott and his

3844
02:29:01,750 --> 02:29:01,040
family and what they witnessed

3845
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:01,760
well

3846
02:29:04,870 --> 02:29:03,280
i was at your house actually when scott

3847
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:04,880
first told me the story

3848
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:07,040
um it was such a good story and it's so

3849
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:08,880
believable

3850
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:10,560
it made me stop eating those like those

3851
02:29:13,300 --> 02:29:12,800
pasta with a chicken think you're a rita

3852
02:29:14,870 --> 02:29:13,310
mix

3853
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:14,880
[Laughter]

3854
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:16,720
oh i remember i'm just repeating those

3855
02:29:20,309 --> 02:29:18,080
until scott started telling me his big

3856
02:29:22,150 --> 02:29:20,319
book story and i stopped eating the list

3857
02:29:24,230 --> 02:29:22,160
and it's honestly it's kind of cause

3858
02:29:26,309 --> 02:29:24,240
it's an up close story

3859
02:29:28,630 --> 02:29:26,319
and you know multiple witnesses it's

3860
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:28,640
and he's you know he seems like a

3861
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:30,720
sane dude and

3862
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:32,000
i believe it i think it's a really i

3863
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:33,840
think it's a legitimate uh encounter

3864
02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:36,399
yeah i do remember i forgot about that

3865
02:29:40,950 --> 02:29:38,960
evening uh that's absolutely right we

3866
02:29:43,910 --> 02:29:40,960
were eating dinner when scott told us

3867
02:29:47,910 --> 02:29:45,349
yeah and don't underestimate the part of

3868
02:29:48,870 --> 02:29:47,920
the show with the chicken

3869
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:48,880
okay

3870
02:29:53,670 --> 02:29:50,960
yeah people are still talking about the

3871
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:53,680
buffalo chicken stuffed uh

3872
02:29:57,950 --> 02:29:56,160
stuffed shells that's what that was

3873
02:30:01,190 --> 02:29:57,960
yeah yeah that's my favorite

3874
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:01,200
[Laughter]

3875
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:03,280
it was an amazing evening too mean the

3876
02:30:09,510 --> 02:30:06,720
the flu was actually uh unreal my wife

3877
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:09,520
can't stop talking about it and uh i was

3878
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:11,280
hungover for like two days straight i

3879
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:12,720
could barely get out of bed i was so

3880
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:14,479
hungover well

3881
02:30:18,389 --> 02:30:15,760
yeah and

3882
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:18,399
you know so going back to

3883
02:30:20,389 --> 02:30:19,280
uh

3884
02:30:26,550 --> 02:30:20,399
what

3885
02:30:28,710 --> 02:30:26,560
scott yeah it's one thing to have

3886
02:30:31,590 --> 02:30:28,720
because it's just a story

3887
02:30:33,349 --> 02:30:31,600
right it's just a story we don't have

3888
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:33,359
the evidence

3889
02:30:38,070 --> 02:30:36,399
i have seen stuff in the sky i have seen

3890
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:38,080
i've you know i've seen all of this

3891
02:30:43,349 --> 02:30:41,280
stuff but it's just a story even though

3892
02:30:45,510 --> 02:30:43,359
you've got cooperating witnesses

3893
02:30:47,349 --> 02:30:45,520
standing to your left and to your right

3894
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:47,359
uh to back up and they've seen the same

3895
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:50,479
thing but it's just a story isn't it

3896
02:30:54,550 --> 02:30:53,760
right that's correct and

3897
02:31:23,670 --> 02:30:54,560
i

3898
02:31:26,630 --> 02:31:23,680
the very next day that

3899
02:31:28,630 --> 02:31:26,640
we actually got to our destination which

3900
02:31:29,590 --> 02:31:28,640
is kind of by like

3901
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:29,600
uh

3902
02:31:32,790 --> 02:31:30,720
sheboygan

3903
02:31:35,590 --> 02:31:32,800
at gaylord city up that way when we

3904
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:35,600
started hunting for mushrooms we ran

3905
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:38,080
into some weird stuff but we saw the

3906
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:41,120
skeletons like skulls and stuff that did

3907
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:44,000
not look like dogs and stuff but we saw

3908
02:31:47,670 --> 02:31:46,240
a pile of stuff in the woods

3909
02:31:49,910 --> 02:31:47,680
i mean there was some strange stuff

3910
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:49,920
going on that day and i'll tell you

3911
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:52,000
i won't go in the woods again without

3912
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:54,960
being fully packed right right right

3913
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:56,560
well

3914
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:58,960
here here's also the bigger point here

3915
02:32:02,469 --> 02:32:00,399
and this i think in this strength and

3916
02:32:04,870 --> 02:32:02,479
this transcends into you know ufo and

3917
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:04,880
even paranormal phenomena where

3918
02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:07,040
so this is a great story right so i'm

3919
02:32:09,750 --> 02:32:08,560
using you know i've been i've

3920
02:32:10,710 --> 02:32:09,760
interviewed you know hundreds of people

3921
02:32:12,070 --> 02:32:10,720
throughout the years for different

3922
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:12,080
phenomena and i get a pretty good sense

3923
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:14,240
of what's a true story what's not what's

3924
02:32:18,309 --> 02:32:16,720
considered evidence what's not

3925
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:18,319
too often in this field we consider his

3926
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:20,479
story as an end point right it's

3927
02:32:24,950 --> 02:32:22,160
evidence why we put it in the evidence

3928
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:24,960
category but what it really should be is

3929
02:32:28,790 --> 02:32:27,520
the beginning point of your next inquiry

3930
02:32:29,990 --> 02:32:28,800
right

3931
02:32:32,070 --> 02:32:30,000
use it as kind of like a working

3932
02:32:34,230 --> 02:32:32,080
hypothesis instead of as a theory and

3933
02:32:35,349 --> 02:32:34,240
it's a difference yeah and i think and

3934
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:35,359
that goes back to what we're talking

3935
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:37,359
about earlier and that's where

3936
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:39,040
we really should start switching gears

3937
02:32:44,309 --> 02:32:40,800
and then you know in all these fields

3938
02:32:46,950 --> 02:32:44,319
well and and i appreciated your honesty

3939
02:32:50,070 --> 02:32:46,960
earlier alex which was

3940
02:32:53,030 --> 02:32:50,080
uh you contradicting yourself um in that

3941
02:32:54,630 --> 02:32:53,040
right you go to you shouldn't go to

3942
02:32:56,790 --> 02:32:54,640
where all the sightings are but maybe

3943
02:32:57,830 --> 02:32:56,800
you should go to where all the sightings

3944
02:33:00,230 --> 02:32:57,840
are that's

3945
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:00,240
and it sounded like you wanted to do

3946
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:03,120
both but you don't know what to suggest

3947
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:04,399
but you even said that you were

3948
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:07,040
contradicting yourself because

3949
02:33:12,469 --> 02:33:10,720
really we don't know what to do do we

3950
02:33:14,389 --> 02:33:12,479
well i think we do

3951
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:14,399
well i think i do i mean i you know i

3952
02:33:17,190 --> 02:33:16,479
mean i could be prominent obviously

3953
02:33:18,630 --> 02:33:17,200
but

3954
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:18,640
there's also what you would do if you

3955
02:33:23,750 --> 02:33:21,040
had limited times and money and

3956
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:23,760
equipment available versus what you do

3957
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:26,720
within what you have you know

3958
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:28,960
available to you so yeah that's the big

3959
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:30,960
difference you know let's go back and we

3960
02:33:34,710 --> 02:33:33,200
got it yeah i'm sorry i was gonna say

3961
02:33:36,389 --> 02:33:34,720
let's go back to the phones go back to

3962
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:36,399
the phones hi you're live on fade to

3963
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:42,150
hi this is madeline from new jersey hi

3964
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:44,240
marilyn from new jersey how are you

3965
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:46,880
madeline from new jersey oh hi madeline

3966
02:33:50,230 --> 02:33:48,720
say hi to alex

3967
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:50,240
hi alex

3968
02:33:54,630 --> 02:33:52,720
hi marilyn it's uh this is my second

3969
02:33:55,670 --> 02:33:54,640
time calling my boyfriend and i love

3970
02:33:58,469 --> 02:33:55,680
your show

3971
02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:58,479
thank you um i did get taken today i'm

3972
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:00,560
in a migraine group

3973
02:34:04,710 --> 02:34:02,960
and they had a message that the migraine

3974
02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:04,720
group was going to span

3975
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:06,560
and i was like oh my god what are we

3976
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:08,640
going to do there must be a way to stop

3977
02:34:11,110 --> 02:34:09,680
this

3978
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:11,120
and um

3979
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:12,880
i really really believed it and then i

3980
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:14,160
saw people

3981
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:16,240
saying oh it's april fool's and i was

3982
02:34:20,950 --> 02:34:18,880
like oh man but i really really believed

3983
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:20,960
it and i was like what are we gonna do

3984
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:23,040
what who are we gonna talk to about our

3985
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:26,560
migraines what did just that i got taken

3986
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:28,800
yeah and of all things right it's your

3987
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:31,840
migraine group that was the last thing

3988
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:34,640
on april fool's day right but you still

3989
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:37,680
got taken why i did i truly truly

3990
02:34:42,150 --> 02:34:39,600
believed it and if i didn't see people's

3991
02:34:45,190 --> 02:34:42,160
posts saying oh it's an april fool's i

3992
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:45,200
would have kept on believing it so it it

3993
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:47,920
did turn out to be april fools yes thank

3994
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:50,399
god okay yeah thank you thank god

3995
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:51,920
um

3996
02:34:58,710 --> 02:34:55,120
marilyn why is it you know

3997
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:58,720
on march 31st that the next day is april

3998
02:35:02,150 --> 02:34:59,680
fool's

3999
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:02,160
right you know this going into this

4000
02:35:06,469 --> 02:35:04,399
morning and so does the rest of the

4001
02:35:09,270 --> 02:35:06,479
country right

4002
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:09,280
but here we go and i was watching so

4003
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:11,520
many posts today

4004
02:35:16,950 --> 02:35:14,640
on different obvious uh fake stuff where

4005
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,960
i was actually kind of laughing and

4006
02:35:20,309 --> 02:35:18,640
and i'm watching people's reaction

4007
02:35:22,469 --> 02:35:20,319
you've got to be kidding me you're

4008
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:22,479
joking right and i did that i did the

4009
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:24,160
news stories at the beginning of this

4010
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:26,960
show today uh you know mixed in with

4011
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:29,280
real stories and i'm watching people's

4012
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:31,760
reaction on twitter to what i was you

4013
02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:32,880
know what

4014
02:35:37,429 --> 02:35:34,960
it was like wait a minute don't you know

4015
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:37,439
it's april fool's well even this

4016
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:41,040
audience gets taken well i was trying to

4017
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:42,720
look for the obvious but this was

4018
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:44,560
serious i'm like this is a migraine

4019
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:46,240
group how could they do this so it just

4020
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:47,680
didn't faze me that they would joke

4021
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:48,720
about it

4022
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:51,359
now uh you were listening to and i want

4023
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:54,640
you to email rita uh after you hang up

4024
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:56,560
and and give us your address and we'll

4025
02:36:01,830 --> 02:35:59,520
uh get you a fade to black mug

4026
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:01,840
uh awesome that's wonderful thank you so

4027
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:04,479
much yeah absolutely uh our pleasure but

4028
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:07,280
when you listen to alex uh today talk

4029
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:10,080
about the issues within our community

4030
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:11,359
uh

4031
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:13,359
do you do you feel the same thing that

4032
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:16,240
alex is laying out here

4033
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:17,920
the issues in our community with

4034
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:20,720
non-believers well you know with uh with

4035
02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:24,160
the way research is done with uh

4036
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:26,560
uh and and different researchers and

4037
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,960
celebrities that are out there it

4038
02:36:33,590 --> 02:36:31,120
doesn't matter if it's ufos or if it's

4039
02:36:35,870 --> 02:36:33,600
bigfoot or the paranormal

4040
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:35,880
i can we didn't even go go that far into

4041
02:36:42,150 --> 02:36:39,280
cryptozoology or the nazca mummies or

4042
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:42,160
the roswell mummy of a few years ago

4043
02:36:47,990 --> 02:36:44,080
remember that one alex

4044
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:50,469
yeah i was shocked by some of the things

4045
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:53,120
alex was saying but

4046
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:54,960
um

4047
02:36:57,830 --> 02:36:56,960
it's just

4048
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:57,840
you know

4049
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,000
we it's things are out there and i don't

4050
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:02,160
care if you're a celebrity or what it's

4051
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:04,080
how everybody interprets it everybody

4052
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:06,399
interprets things differently

4053
02:37:09,830 --> 02:37:07,280
and

4054
02:37:11,349 --> 02:37:09,840
i've never witnessed anything i wish i

4055
02:37:13,510 --> 02:37:11,359
have

4056
02:37:16,309 --> 02:37:13,520
but um

4057
02:37:17,750 --> 02:37:16,319
it's just shock i you know just

4058
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:17,760
yeah you're right agree with some of the

4059
02:37:22,870 --> 02:37:21,120
things that he said yeah you're

4060
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:22,880
absolutely right that's the beautiful

4061
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:25,200
thing about freedom of speech in this

4062
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:26,800
country too as well

4063
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:28,960
madeleine don't forget to email rita

4064
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:31,120
you've got her email address read at

4065
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:33,280
churchradio.com and we'll get that mug

4066
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:34,800
straight out to you

4067
02:37:38,550 --> 02:37:36,640
oh great thank you so much jimmy

4068
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:38,560
goodnight jimmy god bless you god bless

4069
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:41,040
you too alex thank you so much

4070
02:37:44,150 --> 02:37:43,120
thank you you too madeline thank you so

4071
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:44,160
much

4072
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:45,840
and you know you know what's great about

4073
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:48,399
that phone call alex is

4074
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:51,600
uh she said something that was key

4075
02:37:57,349 --> 02:37:54,240
she's never witnessed anything

4076
02:37:58,389 --> 02:37:57,359
but she listens to this show

4077
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:58,399
right

4078
02:38:02,870 --> 02:38:01,280
i i love that aspect of it you don't

4079
02:38:05,510 --> 02:38:02,880
have to be

4080
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:05,520
uh somebody that has seen or witnessed

4081
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:08,080
or is a huge flag waiver

4082
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:10,560
these questions rest out there in this

4083
02:38:19,910 --> 02:38:13,520
community and people are trying to find

4084
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:22,469
oh we lost alex so while i'm waiting for

4085
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:25,040
alex to find another spot in his

4086
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:26,560
is a boat i'm going to go back to the

4087
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:28,080
phones hi you're live i'm fade to black

4088
02:38:33,190 --> 02:38:30,640
who's calling

4089
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:33,200
hey jimmy is this me yes yeah i think

4090
02:38:36,790 --> 02:38:35,840
it's you you tell me

4091
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:36,800
hey

4092
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:40,800
got taken or not but uh i was looking at

4093
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:42,479
your website today and it on my cell

4094
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:44,880
phone all the photos were upside down

4095
02:38:51,349 --> 02:38:46,720
did you guys do that on purpose oh are

4096
02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:53,910
yeah yeah yeah

4097
02:38:57,510 --> 02:38:56,880
it sounds like the feds is either trying

4098
02:39:04,710 --> 02:38:57,520
to

4099
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:06,230
my name's randy i'm from buffalo new

4100
02:39:11,190 --> 02:39:08,479
york i called a couple weeks ago

4101
02:39:13,030 --> 02:39:11,200
oh randy that's right randy you know i

4102
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:13,040
don't remember that

4103
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:14,479
but welcome

4104
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,319
no no yeah i'm just messing with you

4105
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:19,040
right now thank you hey i gotta

4106
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:21,120
oh no it's okay um so i kind of have a

4107
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:23,120
ghost story

4108
02:39:27,270 --> 02:39:25,600
go say hi to alex he's listening he's

4109
02:39:29,110 --> 02:39:27,280
right yeah when

4110
02:39:31,030 --> 02:39:29,120
hey hey i hope you're back i hope you

4111
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:31,040
can hear me uh yeah when we were younger

4112
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:32,160
i have a younger brother he's a couple

4113
02:39:34,550 --> 02:39:33,760
years younger than me

4114
02:39:36,070 --> 02:39:34,560
um

4115
02:39:37,429 --> 02:39:36,080
we were growing up i was always scared

4116
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:37,439
of the dark until i got a little older

4117
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:39,600
he always liked the dark but as we got

4118
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:42,000
older the rolls switched

4119
02:39:45,270 --> 02:39:44,000
well when he was about 12 or 13 years

4120
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:45,280
old

4121
02:39:48,150 --> 02:39:46,479
my parents

4122
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,160
they left him home alone for a couple

4123
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:49,920
hours

4124
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:50,800
so

4125
02:39:54,070 --> 02:39:52,560
when they came back all the lights in

4126
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:54,080
the house were on you know it was dark

4127
02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:54,800
out

4128
02:39:57,429 --> 02:39:56,080
and they were like what you know what's

4129
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:57,439
going on they came in the house he

4130
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:58,960
wasn't there

4131
02:40:01,990 --> 02:40:00,479
sarah worried that so they went next

4132
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:02,000
door my grandmother lived next door

4133
02:40:05,750 --> 02:40:04,080
growing up they went there and he was

4134
02:40:08,230 --> 02:40:05,760
there he didn't have no shoes on he ran

4135
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:08,240
out of the house and his bare feet

4136
02:40:12,150 --> 02:40:10,000
so they're like well what happened

4137
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:12,160
he said oh i was in the house and the

4138
02:40:16,469 --> 02:40:14,319
kitchen light went off and i got scared

4139
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:16,479
something scared me i ran over here so

4140
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:17,600
they were laughing you know there's

4141
02:40:20,950 --> 02:40:18,960
nothing wrong the kitchen light was on

4142
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:20,960
we went in the house all the lights were

4143
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:23,040
on you know you gotta you know making

4144
02:40:27,429 --> 02:40:24,720
fun of them a little bit

4145
02:40:29,110 --> 02:40:27,439
so the next day at dinner

4146
02:40:31,270 --> 02:40:29,120
well i'll sit at the table

4147
02:40:33,270 --> 02:40:31,280
and in my kitchen my parents kitchen

4148
02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:33,280
there's three doors one to the attic

4149
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:34,960
once the basement and one to my parents

4150
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:36,000
bedroom

4151
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:37,200
we're all sending the table in the

4152
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:38,240
kitchen

4153
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:39,840
and the middle door to the basin was

4154
02:40:43,429 --> 02:40:41,120
open

4155
02:40:44,710 --> 02:40:43,439
it was like a hot day and the cool air

4156
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:44,720
coming from the basement we had the door

4157
02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:46,319
open this is before we had ac or

4158
02:40:48,389 --> 02:40:47,200
anything

4159
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:48,399
so we're all sitting around the kitchen

4160
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,840
table we're having dinner

4161
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:51,439
and we're bringing up the story from

4162
02:40:54,950 --> 02:40:53,200
yesterday and we're kind of like

4163
02:40:56,389 --> 02:40:54,960
laughing about it and joking about it

4164
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:56,399
and making fun of him for being scared

4165
02:41:00,469 --> 02:40:58,399
of the dark

4166
02:41:02,230 --> 02:41:00,479
so right as as he's getting frustrated

4167
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:02,240
he kind of shouted out he's like there's

4168
02:41:05,910 --> 02:41:04,000
no such thing as ghosts

4169
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:05,920
well as soon as he said that that

4170
02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:09,040
basement door slammed shut

4171
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,720
that's what i'm talking about as soon as

4172
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:12,319
that basement

4173
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:16,319
shut the phone rang

4174
02:41:20,309 --> 02:41:17,840
so my father sitting next to the phone

4175
02:41:22,309 --> 02:41:20,319
picked up the phone hello it's my

4176
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:22,319
grandmother

4177
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:24,399
all of a sudden his face got white he

4178
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:26,479
didn't want to tell us you know but we

4179
02:41:29,030 --> 02:41:27,920
knew we were like what you know what

4180
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:29,040
what's wrong

4181
02:41:32,469 --> 02:41:31,040
he said your grandmother just called she

4182
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:32,479
said the uh

4183
02:41:35,590 --> 02:41:33,840
the old lady that lived in the house

4184
02:41:38,980 --> 02:41:35,600
before we bought it passed away last

4185
02:41:43,270 --> 02:41:40,550
[Music]

4186
02:41:46,309 --> 02:41:43,280
you gotta love that randy yeah yeah

4187
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:46,319
that's a great story now see alex when

4188
02:41:52,309 --> 02:41:49,680
you hear when you hear that

4189
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:52,319
it's it's just like

4190
02:41:58,230 --> 02:41:54,640
i get it right when you hear a story

4191
02:42:01,190 --> 02:41:58,240
like that we hear it over and over again

4192
02:42:04,710 --> 02:42:01,200
that's evidence to me i mean what

4193
02:42:07,030 --> 02:42:04,720
where do we go when it comes to ghosts

4194
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:07,040
yeah it's look i

4195
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:08,399
obviously i hear i've heard you know

4196
02:42:11,750 --> 02:42:10,319
plethora of stories like that at night

4197
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:11,760
and i believe in i believe some of them

4198
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:13,520
right and i think it's true

4199
02:42:18,469 --> 02:42:16,399
but it yeah it's evidence but

4200
02:42:20,710 --> 02:42:18,479
until you can link the event to the

4201
02:42:22,550 --> 02:42:20,720
grandmother's death and we can't yet

4202
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:22,560
it's not hard evidence

4203
02:42:25,590 --> 02:42:23,760
from you know from a scientific

4204
02:42:27,590 --> 02:42:25,600
perspective from from perspective you

4205
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:27,600
have to prove this to

4206
02:42:32,309 --> 02:42:29,680
everybody where there's no way they can

4207
02:42:33,750 --> 02:42:32,319
deny the correlation between

4208
02:42:36,550 --> 02:42:33,760
in this case with grandmother's death

4209
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:36,560
their grandmother's death and the events

4210
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:46,070
but that's i think we need to think

4211
02:42:49,910 --> 02:42:47,200
start

4212
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:49,920
taking it to the next level so to speak

4213
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:52,319
well okay hey randy it wasn't my

4214
02:42:56,630 --> 02:42:54,560
grandmother who passed away

4215
02:42:58,950 --> 02:42:56,640
it was the lady in the house yeah it

4216
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:58,960
wasn't the lady and a half yeah my

4217
02:43:03,110 --> 02:42:59,760
parents

4218
02:43:04,870 --> 02:43:03,120
bought it for like twelve thousand

4219
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:04,880
dollars you know real real cheap the hot

4220
02:43:07,429 --> 02:43:06,080
the house was

4221
02:43:08,790 --> 02:43:07,439
the ugliest house on the street when you

4222
02:43:10,150 --> 02:43:08,800
were looking at it from the front it was

4223
02:43:11,590 --> 02:43:10,160
kind of crooked the kids used to throw

4224
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:11,600
plums at it we had plum trees in the

4225
02:43:14,710 --> 02:43:13,359
yard you could throw plums at it there

4226
02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:14,720
was a haunted house on the street you

4227
02:43:19,750 --> 02:43:16,880
know my parents fixed it up a little bit

4228
02:43:22,710 --> 02:43:19,760
little by little you know and um

4229
02:43:24,230 --> 02:43:22,720
we theorized that well there were two or

4230
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:24,240
three sisters that lived in the house

4231
02:43:28,150 --> 02:43:26,000
before you know this was probably before

4232
02:43:29,429 --> 02:43:28,160
you know i was born really but um when

4233
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:29,439
my parents bought the house they bought

4234
02:43:32,230 --> 02:43:30,880
a chip from this older lady who had to

4235
02:43:33,910 --> 02:43:32,240
get put oh you know she was sold she had

4236
02:43:37,030 --> 02:43:33,920
to get put in the nursing home she was

4237
02:43:38,870 --> 02:43:37,040
the lady that passed away what was weird

4238
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,880
was uh you know my parents had been

4239
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:40,399
fixing up the house

4240
02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:43,359
little by little and um we theorized

4241
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:45,439
that maybe when you pass away where

4242
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:47,200
you've spent your life

4243
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:48,720
for a long time in your life where you

4244
02:43:52,790 --> 02:43:50,560
put your energy or your soul piece of

4245
02:43:54,389 --> 02:43:52,800
yourself into this life maybe when you

4246
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:54,399
pass away if things are different now

4247
02:43:57,429 --> 02:43:55,840
maybe she wanted to look at the house

4248
02:43:58,870 --> 02:43:57,439
now you know we had remodeled it and

4249
02:44:01,110 --> 02:43:58,880
everything maybe you just when you die

4250
02:44:03,429 --> 02:44:01,120
you get a chance to kind of take a peek

4251
02:44:05,910 --> 02:44:03,439
or revisit your history or you know i

4252
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:05,920
can't i know i do just me guessing but i

4253
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:07,920
feel like the soul has a brief moment

4254
02:44:11,830 --> 02:44:09,840
where it can experience

4255
02:44:13,349 --> 02:44:11,840
you know the world or its past or you

4256
02:44:14,150 --> 02:44:13,359
know

4257
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:14,160
yeah

4258
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:15,840
just weird you know

4259
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:19,840
look i i agree i'll i'll share this

4260
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:22,240
um and and randy thank you for the phone

4261
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:25,120
call my friend and have a great night

4262
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:27,920
oh email rita i'll send you a mug email

4263
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:33,670
okay okay thank you randy

4264
02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:34,640
um

4265
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:35,760
is

4266
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:41,040
we were up rita and i uh were up in in

4267
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:43,359
shasta i'm gonna tell the story really

4268
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:46,080
quick and we were at this we were

4269
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,399
staying in a house that was like 150

4270
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:51,040
years old you know i forget 1870 or

4271
02:44:53,910 --> 02:44:52,160
something

4272
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:53,920
and the

4273
02:44:57,990 --> 02:44:56,800
bedroom door had these you know the old

4274
02:44:58,790 --> 02:44:58,000
old

4275
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:58,800
uh

4276
02:45:03,110 --> 02:45:00,560
door handles on it

4277
02:45:04,710 --> 02:45:03,120
and you had to push the door shut it was

4278
02:45:08,550 --> 02:45:04,720
a solid wood door you had to push the

4279
02:45:11,110 --> 02:45:08,560
door shut and then turn the door handle

4280
02:45:15,030 --> 02:45:11,120
to to get the latch to you know and you

4281
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:15,040
had to really close the door physically

4282
02:45:19,990 --> 02:45:17,279
and and i would test it you know open it

4283
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:20,000
right okay all right and push it and and

4284
02:45:25,590 --> 02:45:23,920
latch it we're lying in bed alex i swear

4285
02:45:28,469 --> 02:45:25,600
and we're sitting there talking about

4286
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:28,479
this house and that door handle

4287
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:29,600
turned

4288
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:32,160
that thing said click click

4289
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:34,960
and popped open right and i was like

4290
02:45:40,469 --> 02:45:36,800
what

4291
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:40,479
out of bed

4292
02:45:43,830 --> 02:45:42,880
i let that thing sit right where it was

4293
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:43,840
alex

4294
02:45:51,269 --> 02:45:48,399
there was no way i could not believe it

4295
02:45:53,510 --> 02:45:51,279
physically you know for me to turn that

4296
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:53,520
it was like effort right and to get it

4297
02:45:57,990 --> 02:45:55,520
to latch and close

4298
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:58,000
and that thing that thing turned man it

4299
02:46:03,190 --> 02:46:00,000
turned one last phone call hi you're

4300
02:46:05,349 --> 02:46:03,200
live on fade to black who's calling

4301
02:46:07,429 --> 02:46:05,359
hey jimmy it's tyrian how are you this

4302
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:07,439
is fran

4303
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:10,080
i'm sorry sarah anne oh hi sarah ann how

4304
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:11,600
are you

4305
02:46:15,429 --> 02:46:13,520
good hi alex

4306
02:46:17,110 --> 02:46:15,439
hi how are you

4307
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:17,120
good good

4308
02:46:20,630 --> 02:46:18,000
so

4309
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:20,640
did you get taken today

4310
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:23,200
i did my um parents put a bug on my

4311
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:25,279
pillow a fake bug

4312
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:27,439
oh that's not cool

4313
02:46:32,389 --> 02:46:29,200
it wasn't cool at all all right and what

4314
02:46:34,550 --> 02:46:32,399
kind of bug was it that that's a big

4315
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:34,560
like yeah and i lived in new york city

4316
02:46:40,550 --> 02:46:37,520
for ten years so i have a roach you know

4317
02:46:42,469 --> 02:46:40,560
fear and it look it was like a big

4318
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:42,479
plastic roach that looked really real

4319
02:46:46,389 --> 02:46:44,000
but you know i've done this to my

4320
02:46:50,150 --> 02:46:46,399
parents so i sort of deserved it oh man

4321
02:46:52,469 --> 02:46:50,160
did you jump out of bed that's not cool

4322
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:52,479
it wasn't cool at all i mean there was

4323
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:54,319
there were body functions that had i

4324
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:56,000
mean yeah

4325
02:47:00,230 --> 02:46:58,560
to wake up yeah absolutely man your

4326
02:47:02,389 --> 02:47:00,240
parents are cool

4327
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:02,399
your parents are spot on the money i

4328
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:04,000
gotta remember that one i'm gonna do

4329
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:07,200
that to my kids next year that's awesome

4330
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:08,800
that's awesome

4331
02:47:13,269 --> 02:47:11,840
well sarah anne thank you

4332
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:13,279
thank you for that

4333
02:47:17,190 --> 02:47:15,600
and do me a favor wherever you are in

4334
02:47:19,429 --> 02:47:17,200
the country right now

4335
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:19,439
email rita and give us the address we'll

4336
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:21,680
get a mug out to you

4337
02:47:26,230 --> 02:47:24,479
oh my god thank you yeah thank you sarah

4338
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:26,240
enjoy the rest of your night thank you

4339
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:27,760
so much

4340
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:30,479
all right have a good one yeah you too

4341
02:47:33,830 --> 02:47:31,600
uh wow

4342
02:47:34,950 --> 02:47:33,840
alex thank you so much for a great show

4343
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:34,960
tonight

4344
02:47:43,110 --> 02:47:38,800
and uh it's it's it's really funny that

4345
02:47:45,349 --> 02:47:43,120
uh sometimes uh even in in our community

4346
02:47:46,630 --> 02:47:45,359
it's it it's tough

4347
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:46,640
to hear

4348
02:47:50,150 --> 02:47:49,200
you know the truth or real status of

4349
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:50,160
things

4350
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:52,800
because you know part of uh what makes

4351
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:55,279
us united in this community

4352
02:48:01,590 --> 02:47:58,640
is is some of our emotional and personal

4353
02:48:05,190 --> 02:48:01,600
beliefs that we have invested in here

4354
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:05,200
and sometimes reality is is a bit harsh

4355
02:48:09,429 --> 02:48:07,279
you know but but you have always stood

4356
02:48:11,670 --> 02:48:09,439
up for that you've had your sightings

4357
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:11,680
see this is the thing with you alex

4358
02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:14,160
you've had your ufo contact and

4359
02:48:18,630 --> 02:48:16,720
sightings you've had crazy things that

4360
02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:18,640
went down in chicago we didn't even talk

4361
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:21,439
about that stuff uh we've had your uh

4362
02:48:24,550 --> 02:48:23,040
bigfoot research you've been to

4363
02:48:26,790 --> 02:48:24,560
skinwalker you've been all over the

4364
02:48:29,510 --> 02:48:26,800
country your paranormal stuff your

4365
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:29,520
experience with uh with barry taft and

4366
02:48:33,510 --> 02:48:31,920
other paranormal and ghost hunting crews

4367
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:33,520
so you've been out there doing this and

4368
02:48:38,630 --> 02:48:35,920
it's not like i mean you absolutely

4369
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:38,640
believe all of this is real

4370
02:48:43,910 --> 02:48:41,680
but we need to push real research and

4371
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:43,920
that is where you come from my man and

4372
02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:45,439
thank you so much for everything that

4373
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:47,040
you do

4374
02:48:50,870 --> 02:48:48,319
thank you i appreciate that jimmy that

4375
02:48:53,429 --> 02:48:50,880
means a lot to me now how do we uh how

4376
02:48:56,150 --> 02:48:53,439
do we fund this research i'll give you

4377
02:48:58,630 --> 02:48:56,160
90 seconds you've talked about putting

4378
02:49:01,190 --> 02:48:58,640
together professional teams

4379
02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,200
how do we fund this research

4380
02:49:05,510 --> 02:49:02,960
i have no idea

4381
02:49:09,030 --> 02:49:05,520
to be honest i don't know if i did you

4382
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:09,040
know i would be doing it i don't know

4383
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:11,120
yeah i mean i haven't you know i have a

4384
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:12,560
gofundme and people can help me out

4385
02:49:16,870 --> 02:49:14,240
personally but that's not enough to you

4386
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:16,880
know get things going i i don't know i

4387
02:49:21,910 --> 02:49:18,720
have a few ideas but it would take a

4388
02:49:23,590 --> 02:49:21,920
little more than a couple minutes but

4389
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:23,600
well i have a big idea but it'd be a

4390
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:25,680
kind of a long explanation well well

4391
02:49:29,990 --> 02:49:28,080
then we'll bring you on uh

4392
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:30,000
later on in the week maybe a thursday

4393
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:32,640
night to talk about this further because

4394
02:49:38,630 --> 02:49:34,720
it's not just funding a trip but then

4395
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:38,640
you have dna and laboratory analysis and

4396
02:49:44,469 --> 02:49:41,920
and and photo and video analysis that

4397
02:49:46,790 --> 02:49:44,479
needs to be done and and all of this and

4398
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:46,800
a whole other list of

4399
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:47,520
uh

4400
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:52,960
cost money

4401
02:49:56,550 --> 02:49:55,200
and yeah so i think you need a non-team

4402
02:49:58,389 --> 02:49:56,560
like a team that's not a team when you

4403
02:50:00,230 --> 02:49:58,399
pull in from different sources when you

4404
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:00,240
need it for particular you know subjects

4405
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:02,960
type of thing but

4406
02:50:07,830 --> 02:50:05,600
thank you so much my friend

4407
02:50:10,469 --> 02:50:07,840
no thanks again jimmy and i i look

4408
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:10,479
forward to your next trip over to a

4409
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:12,960
cassaday church and another late night

4410
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:14,880
conversation

4411
02:50:17,750 --> 02:50:16,080
all right

4412
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:17,760
thank you alex behave and be well out

4413
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:18,880
there my friend

4414
02:50:23,670 --> 02:50:20,560
thank you good night everyone

4415
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:23,680
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02:50:28,950 --> 02:50:25,840
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4417
02:50:31,590 --> 02:50:28,960
stretta we've got that up right there

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4435
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our meals jimmy church tomorrow night

4436
02:51:15,030 --> 02:51:11,439
right here billy carson

4437
02:51:17,670 --> 02:51:15,040
part two of his four part the emerald

4438
02:51:19,269 --> 02:51:17,680
tablets of thought

4439
02:51:21,429 --> 02:51:19,279
until tomorrow night

4440
02:51:25,620 --> 02:51:21,439
everybody be safe